Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.017 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; '(using': 0.07; 'deployed': 0.07; 'subject:support': 0.07; 'deprecated': 0.09; 'report,': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'django': 0.11; 'thread': 0.14; '12:50': 0.16; 'ecosystem': 0.16; "john's": 0.16; 'libraries.': 0.16; 'thread,': 0.16; 'to:addr:carl': 0.16; 'wsgi': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'library': 0.18; 'shape': 0.19; 'community.': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'days,': 0.24; 'fine': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'switch': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'world,': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'michael': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'fixing': 0.31; 'libraries': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'run': 0.32; 'says': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'everyone': 0.33; 'cases': 0.33; 'entirely': 0.33; 'programmers': 0.33; '"the': 0.34; 'maybe': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'agree': 0.35; 'common': 0.35; 'test': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'maintained': 0.36; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'experience,': 0.37; 'too': 0.37; 'easily': 0.37; 'problems': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'itself': 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'most': 0.60; 'john': 0.61; 'you.': 0.62; 'hear': 0.63; 'interest': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; '30,': 0.65; 'relatively': 0.65; 'mar': 0.68; 'production': 0.68; 'frustrated': 0.68; 'fact,': 0.69; 'lack': 0.78; '2015': 0.84; 'itself?': 0.84; 'meyer': 0.84; 'apparent': 0.91; 'poorly': 0.93; 'story.': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=UotbJYw2X9RDM5CHqn0nP9HkMoJrIib1O3IZHV3EUhY=; b=h8DjG5ft7nWno0rQpc0rk13VsEEMXaQb0N/bIdn37f1cnlTfjmeZwuy5lDOLP06AGX hbekb/PsNjOfio2NUgF55GA22+f/VVIHgtmAOY9RBXibLk++jO2ohau52bGXXLIa8SUC KlkzBwTuYg7B8F/9nmacZxryyi09OL8Q4JY3IGPbhlAU5wt4wl06gpywD5Q6ModMZBeZ 4kiGoi106eIS4nj6A4TAQfz4TWx4lILrm2KrQA90VSVtMuTvarztec5QaolA7FuEi5B3 e/oNdgZHnjNA1DsFGHvaJfXJfiSo3MmzLWYKM+78NVcgQVx9ADBqpp5WnFmqb4PYDYD3 uWvg== X-Received: by 10.202.178.134 with SMTP id b128mr23716486oif.80.1427690743404; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 21:45:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5518C823.5020004@oddbird.net> References: <55185E5D.5080604@animats.com> <85pp7r4dj8.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <5518C342.9010504@gmail.com> <5518C823.5020004@oddbird.net> From: INADA Naoki Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 13:45:23 +0900 Subject: Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. To: Carl Meyer Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 53 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1427690751 news.xs4all.nl 2822 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:41490 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:88314 I agree with you. Web programmers should use maintained libraries. In web world, most common libraries maintained are support Python 3. I (maintainer of PyMySQL and mysqlclient) uses Python 3 for daily job, and use Python 2 only for test my libraries. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Carl Meyer wrote: > On 03/29/2015 09:30 PM, Michael Torrie wrote: >> What does this have to do with Python itself? I'm not completely sure, >> but maybe it's about the Python community. What's the way forward? I >> have no idea. At the very least John is frustrated by the community's >> lack of apparent interest in fixing problems in the greater python >> ecosystem when it comes to Python 3. > > I think one could easily draw far too broad a conclusion from John's > report here. The title of the thread says "lack of support for > fcgi/wsgi", but AFAICT the content of the report, and the thread, is > entirely about FCGI. In my experience, WSGI under Python 3 works very > well these days, and all of the popular WSGI servers (gunicorn, > mod_wsgi, uwsgi, waitress, ...) run just fine under Python 3. I've > deployed several Django applications into production on Python 3 (using > WSGI) with no issues. > > FastCGI is a different story. I do some Django support on #django and on > django-users, and I see very few people deploying with FastCGI anymore; > almost everyone uses WSGI (and when we see someone using FastCGI, we > encourage them to switch to WSGI). In fact, the FastCGI support in > Django itself is deprecated and will be removed in Django 1.9. So I am > not at all surprised to hear that the Python FastCGI libraries are > relatively poorly maintained. > > And it is true and unsurprising that when a particular library is no > longer maintained, it will probably be in better shape on Python 2 than > on Python 3, because Python 2 is older. > > So when it comes to "the community's interest in fixing problems" or > John's assertion that "nobody uses this stuff," in both cases I think > it's far more about FastCGI vs WSGI than it's about Python 2 vs 3. > > Carl > > > -- > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > -- INADA Naoki