Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'argument': 0.05; 'that?': 0.05; 'widely': 0.05; 'referring': 0.07; 'suppose': 0.07; 'answering': 0.09; 'english,': 0.09; 'exception,': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'listing,': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'rush': 0.09; 'seen,': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; 'tismer': 0.09; 'uses.': 0.09; 'subject:Help': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'assume': 0.14; 'defined,': 0.16; 'justified': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'saying.': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:Got': 0.16; 'subject:Plz': 0.16; 'subject:make': 0.16; 'followed': 0.16; 'all.': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'examples': 0.20; 'thanks.': 0.20; 'programming': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'him.': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'second': 0.26; 'pass': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'world,': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'correct': 0.29; 'on,': 0.29; 'generally': 0.29; 'words': 0.29; 'apparently': 0.31; 'concern': 0.31; 'concern.': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'fine,': 0.31; 'men': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; "we're": 0.32; 'says': 0.33; '"the': 0.34; "i'd": 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'definition': 0.35; 'johnson': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'doubt': 0.36; "he's": 0.36; 'introducing': 0.36; 'much.': 0.36; 'surely': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'level': 0.37; 'step': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'christian': 0.38; 'nov': 0.38; 'question,': 0.38; 'somebody': 0.38; 'whatever': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'previous': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'realize': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'called': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'guy': 0.60; 'regional': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'tell': 0.60; 'free': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'world.': 0.61; 'john': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'further': 0.61; 'you.': 0.62; 'show': 0.63; 'world': 0.66; 'believe': 0.68; 'feeling': 0.68; 'home': 0.69; 'subject:your': 0.76; 'age': 0.80; 'deserves': 0.84; 'dialect': 0.84; 'doubts': 0.84; 'idiom': 0.84; 'now...': 0.84; 'subject: ! ': 0.84; 'uncertain': 0.84; 'houses': 0.91; 'whereas': 0.91; 'justice': 0.93; 'rick': 0.93; 'subject:Topic': 0.95; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Completely and utterly Off Topic [was Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP !] Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:00:22 +0000 References: <5290105a$0$29993$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5293AAC1.4010902@rece.vub.ac.be> <529595aa$0$11089$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-181-17.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 In-Reply-To: <529595aa$0$11089$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 91 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1385546438 news.xs4all.nl 16000 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48262 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:60586 On 27/11/2013 06:48, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:26:48 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: > >> Even if you are correct that the OP is using a regional variation of >> English, you fail to realize that this "regional redefinition" of the >> English word: "doubts" to mean what the *majority* of English speaking >> world understands as "questions", cannot be justified OUTSIDE of his >> region. > > "Fail to realize"? What regional redefinition of "realise" is that? How > do you justify using that regional variation outside of your region? Had a really good chuckle over this, thanks. > > >> It's not like he's using a NEW word; a word that has never been defined, >> NO, his region has redefined a widely understood word. > [...] >> In the previous examples we show that introducing a NEW word is fine, >> because, at least when we encounter a NEW word we will *instantly* know >> that we need to find a definition for the NEW word BEFORE we can *fully* >> comprehend what the author is trying to tell us. > > I completely sniglim with what you are saying. I'd go further and state > that, without exception, your argument is the most vumtigious I've ever > seen, and if there were any justice in the world, people would follow you > down the street shouting "Gedus! Gedus!" and giving you a keddener. If > anyone deserves it, it is you. > Don't have time now but search engine will be busy later, can't let these things pass unchequed. > > [...] >> When we see the word "doubts", followed by an enumerated listing, we >> falsely believe the lad > > "The lad"? Well, I suppose that's a step up from calling men twice your > age "boy", but not much. > > >> is confused or has some level of concern. > > Whereas when somebody says they have a question, we immediately assume > that they are not confused, and have no concern at all. > > > [...] >> Now... *hopefully* we can understand why the words "question" and >> "doubt" should NEVER be used interchangeably. > > Now Rick, I know that you're a speaker of a regional variation of > English, so you might not be familiar with the standard meanings of the > word "doubt" in English, including: > > 3. A point about which one is uncertain or skeptical: reassured > me by answering my doubts. > > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/doubt > > > It is without doubt that "question" and "doubt" are synonyms, or perhaps > I should say that it is without question that "doubt" and "question" are > synonyms. > > http://thesaurus.com/browse/doubt > > Of course, if you have any doubts about this, feel free to ask, we're > happy to answer all reasonable questions. > > > [...] >> "A new home-run record!" > > What is this "home-run" of which you speak? Houses don't generally run. > Surely you're not using a regional idiom outside of your region? > I believe that he's referring to the need to rush home in order to use the toilet, water closet or whatever your dialect uses. Apparently in some parts of the world a guy called John is constantly being urinated and defecated on, I'll admit to feeling really sorry for him. -- Python is the second best programming language in the world. But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer Mark Lawrence