Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!cs.uu.nl!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'function,': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; '>>>>': 0.09; 'compute': 0.09; 'mapped': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229.12': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'received:lo.gmane.org': 0.09; 'tuple': 0.09; 'am,': 0.12; 'algorithm': 0.13; 'stored': 0.13; 'accesses': 0.16; 'hashable': 0.16; 'implemented.': 0.16; 'subject:independent': 0.16; 'meant': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.18; 'position,': 0.19; "haven't": 0.20; 'trying': 0.21; 'dec': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'dictionary': 0.23; 'pair': 0.23; 'table.': 0.23; "python's": 0.24; 'tree': 0.25; 'function': 0.27; 'work.': 0.28; 'pm,': 0.29; 'hash': 0.30; 'objects.': 0.30; 'oop': 0.30; 'sun,': 0.30; 'subject:?': 0.31; 'values': 0.32; 'list': 0.32; 'objects': 0.32; 'idea': 0.32; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.33; 'this.': 0.33; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.33; 'there': 0.33; 'done': 0.34; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.34; 'all.': 0.34; 'convince': 0.34; 'then.': 0.34; 'list.': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'sets': 0.35; 'explain': 0.36; 'received:au': 0.36; 'but': 0.37; 'think': 0.37; 'maps': 0.38; 'monday,': 0.38; 'replace': 0.38; 'received:org': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'tables': 0.39; 'why': 0.39; 'called': 0.40; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'more': 0.61; 'type': 0.61; '2011': 0.61; 'power': 0.63; 'stated': 0.68; 'sets,': 0.84; 'talk,': 0.91; 'received:110': 0.95 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Lie Ryan Subject: Re: order independent hash? Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 12:59:46 +1100 References: <30715729.411.1322753732534.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pret21> <4ED7A2CE.6070306@davea.name> <6366868.86.1322800180523.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pret21> <3MKCq.194015$th7.47228@newsfe07.ams2> <26969335.380.1323013143216.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prnu18> <27797359.1293.1323021983756.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prfb10> <12469565.1384.1323040641935.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prfj18> <22840051.509.1323046334160.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prnu18> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 110-175-240-90.static.tpgi.com.au User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111124 Thunderbird/8.0 In-Reply-To: <22840051.509.1323046334160.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prnu18> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1323050401 news.xs4all.nl 6933 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34479 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:16635 On 12/05/2011 11:52 AM, 88888 Dihedral wrote: > On Monday, December 5, 2011 7:24:49 AM UTC+8, Ian wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:17 PM, 88888 Dihedral >> wrote: >>>> Please explain what you think a hash function is, then. Per >>>> Wikipedia, "A hash function is any algorithm or subroutine that maps >>>> large data sets to smaller data sets, called keys." >>>> >>>>> Are you miss-leading the power of true OOP ? >>>> >>>> I have no idea what you are suggesting. I was not talking about OOP at all. >>> >>> In python the (k,v) pair in a dictionary k and v can be both an objects. >>> v can be a tuple or a list. There are some restrictions on k to be an >>> hashable type in python's implementation. The key is used to compute the position of the pair to be stored in a hash table. The hash function maps key k to the position in the hash table. If k1!=k2 are both mapped to the same >>> position, then something has to be done to resolve this. >> >> I understand how dicts / hash tables work. I don't need you to >> explain that to me. What you haven't explained is why you stated that >> a hash function that operates on objects is not a hash function, or >> what you meant by "misleading the power of true OOP". > > If v is a tuple or a list then a dictionary in python can replace a bi-directional list or a tree under the assumption that the hash which accesses values stored in a much faster way when well implemented. trying not to be rude, but the more you talk, the more I"m convince that you're trolling. Welcome to my killfile.