Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!newsfeed.eweka.nl!eweka.nl!feeder3.eweka.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.173 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.77; '*S*': 0.12; 'conventions.': 0.09; 'lawyer.': 0.09; 'subject:skip:c 10': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'deprive': 0.16; 'for,': 0.16; 'grounds': 0.16; 'intimidating': 0.16; 'mark.': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'either.': 0.24; 'people,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'long.': 0.31; 'problem': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'too': 0.37; 'legally': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; "you're": 0.61; 'trial': 0.83; 'counselors,': 0.84; 'crowd': 0.84; 'lawyer': 0.84; 'lawyer,': 0.84; 'republic,': 0.84; 'subject:tool': 0.84; 'notion': 0.91; 'race': 0.95; 'trained': 0.95 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=J1zxYGigV2ZXRF259v1qsUrVq04xo4CPoytf5CVMVD0=; b=jql/0AeLswxeP4w3A7j4hNrOGjX4GXeZvHyoX31YUzDoZIvxFiBFbrSYp1EASXxucY xfnLUzzTN01SzMQnIA1HF3gqNOQERB4bzg79CGryNBGO/fJ2J2e3+zyWzPLEjFkKV+Nb BnNnw5Q14gOIEOWpfbGTyaPp2yo5GlUvsU8jz+cWcD36X2dkLnSVIFjKONVEhKr3Hske UW8ZyrPu+pS/higJY2yTeSNG03EDFqO/Wv1ESRUzTOEDHDiDtggBdkZnbBwFdgQz2sre 0ZY7nesvQvEBBGXgGxIaDWzim1iqW7gOQukdOtABbxzG1hQ/UPf/GzKOnbe9Mgm6qmWB f0Hw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.39.207 with SMTP id r15mr17957382wik.16.1365495304527; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 01:15:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5163AF6B.7040104@davea.name> References: <48f984a0-7702-4cba-9021-06c3985646da@googlegroups.com> <5161f508$0$29995$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51637779.7020209@davea.name> <5163AF6B.7040104@davea.name> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 01:15:04 -0700 Subject: Re: im.py: a python communications tool From: Mark Janssen To: Dave Angel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1365495311 news.xs4all.nl 6953 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:50755 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:43136 > I'm not a lawyer, and I suspect you're not either. By the way, here's where part of the problem stems, right here. This notion of that you have to be a lawyer -- as if their some other race or something. Lawyers are people, that have been trained into a historical system of conventions. That doesn't necessarily make them good counselors, and conversely non-lawyers can be better defenders than "lawyers". As long as this (US) is a constitutional republic, it is of, by and for, the people. There is legally no grounds to deprive a citizen of a fair trial even if they don't have lawyer. The Establishment has been intimidating people for too long. I'm just calling it out, so my crowd (can I call it that?) doesn't give away it's power. Mark.