Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.009 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'latter': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'oop': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'worse': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'language.': 0.14; 'changes': 0.15; 'class),': 0.16; 'posting,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'sees': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'issue.': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; "haven't": 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'class.': 0.26; 'pass': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; '(like': 0.30; 'expansion': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'proposing': 0.31; 'class': 0.32; 'everyone': 0.33; "can't": 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'object,': 0.36; 'example,': 0.37; 'wrong': 0.37; 'clear': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'hope': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'term': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'between': 0.67; 'behavior': 0.77; "'3'": 0.84; 'hammered': 0.84; 'it`s': 0.84; 'messed': 0.84; 'from.': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: anomaly Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 00:34:43 +0100 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-178-82.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1431300919 news.xs4all.nl 2863 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36464 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:90312 On 10/05/2015 23:59, Mark Rosenblitt-Janssen wrote: > On 5/10/15, Mark Rosenblitt-Janssen wrote: >> Here's something that might be wrong in Python (tried on v2.7): >> >>>>> class int(str): pass >> >>>>> int(3) >> '3' >> >> Mark >> > Here's where this exploration came from. I've (once again) been > contemplating the OO nature. > > It's clear to me that there needs to be a distinction between > specialization of an object vs. expansion of an object (a new term I'm > proposing to the OOP lexicon). The latter *adds* more functionality > (like what everyone does with the Object class), while the former > changes the behavior of some class for more specific behavior that was > not programmed in the original class. > > It's a difference between, for example, concrete base types and ABCs. > Python artificially tried to make int inherit from object, just > because it can, but this is wrong. It`s messed with the Zen-thing. > "Purity has hammered practicality [like the fact that we actually have > to work on concrete types in the CPU] into the ground. " (addition > mine). > > Sorry I can't spend more time clarifying. I hope that there's at > least one person who sees the issue. > > Mark > It strikes me that you haven't a clue about Python and worse still you're top posting, please don't. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence