Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.143 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.73; '*S*': 0.01; 'say,': 0.05; 'happen.': 0.09; 'literal': 0.09; 'mind,': 0.09; 'translations': 0.09; 'subject:Help': 0.11; 'translation': 0.12; "wouldn't": 0.14; 'received:192.168.1.4': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'subject:Got': 0.16; 'subject:Plz': 0.16; 'subject:make': 0.16; 'all.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'saying': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'certainly': 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; 'speakers': 0.26; 'asking': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'wondering': 0.29; 'not.': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'effort': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'expect': 0.39; 'use.': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'hope': 0.61; 'subject: !': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'such': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'life': 0.66; 'world': 0.66; 'here': 0.66; 'readers': 0.68; 'smith': 0.68; 'subject:your': 0.76; 'article': 0.77; 'fortunately,': 0.84; 'idiom': 0.84; 'pardon': 0.84; 'received:195.238': 0.84; 'received:195.238.6': 0.84; 'received:belgacom.be': 0.84; 'received:isp.belgacom.be': 0.84; 'subject: ! ': 0.84; 'dutch': 0.91 X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAKvSlFJQyKds/2dsb2JhbAANTL58gUODGQEBAQMBbQsGCwsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRMGAgIRBIdiC61WilmHGRePAxaEHQOYFJU7 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:57:03 +0100 From: Antoon Pardon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20131005 Icedove/17.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Got a Doubt ! Wanting for your Help ! Plz make it ASAP ! References: <5290105a$0$29993$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5293AAC1.4010902@rece.vub.ac.be> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1385485111 news.xs4all.nl 15866 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55922 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:60526 Op 26-11-13 15:37, Roy Smith schreef: > In article , > Antoon Pardon wrote: > >> So I think we may expect more effort from the writer in trying to be >> understandable than from the readers in trying to understand. And >> that includes idiom use. > > We live in an international world (otherwise we wouldn't need that > annoying unicode stuff). When you say, "effort to be understandable", > what you're really saying is, "everybody should be just like me". Are you sure? I certainly hope not. That would be horrible! > Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. Or maybe fortunately, since > variety and exploring different cultures is part of what makes life > interesting. So I can now ask my questions in dutch and expect others to try and understand me instead of me asking them in english? Or can I use literal translations of dutch idioms even if I suspect that such a literal translation could be misunderstood and even be insulting? > Keep in mind, there's a lot of native Mandarin speakers who are > wondering why they need to bother learning English at all. So what is your point? Do you think they can just come and ask there questions here in Mandarin or do you expect them to do an effort to be understandable in english? -- Antoon Pardon