Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.etla.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'operator': 0.03; '(except': 0.07; '(aka': 0.09; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.09; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.09; 'message-id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'subject:design': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; 'api': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'def': 0.12; 'language,': 0.12; '__all__': 0.16; 'imports': 0.16; 'magic': 0.16; 'received:69.93': 0.16; 'subject:Language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'import': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'function': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; "skip:' 10": 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'operations': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'false': 0.36; 'in.': 0.36; 'charset :us-ascii': 0.36; 'wrong': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'functional': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:173': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; 'such': 0.63; 'fact,': 0.69; 'special': 0.74; 'satisfied': 0.81; 'ethan': 0.84; 'furman': 0.84 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 11:05:25 -0700 From: Ethan Furman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Language design References: <522eb795$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5230D58E.9020508@markusrother.de> <5230DD68.2080703@stoneleaf.us> <5231FF23.20600@markusrother.de> In-Reply-To: <5231FF23.20600@markusrother.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator3304.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - stoneleaf.us X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([173.12.184.233]) [173.12.184.233]:58072 X-Source-Auth: ethan+stoneleaf.us X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: dG9idWs7dG9idWs7Z2F0b3IzMzA0Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1379010392 news.xs4all.nl 15881 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46388 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:54075 On 09/12/2013 10:51 AM, Markus Rother wrote: > On 11.09.2013 23:15, Ethan Furman wrote: >> On 09/11/2013 01:41 PM, Markus Rother wrote: >>> >>> () == [] >>> False >>> >>> But: >>> >>> >>> bool(().__eq__([])) >>> True >> >> This is not a trap, this is simply the wrong way to do it. The magic >> methods (aka dunder methods) are there for Python to call, not you >> (except under special circumstances, such as when writing your own >> dunder methods). > > While trying to do it, I learned that its not the right way to do it. > However, I was not satisfied with the fact, that there is no built in > pure function for operations on primitives. Such that > >>>> def get_do_stuff (fn): > ... def do_stuff(x,y): > ... return fn(x,y) > ... return do_stuff > > I understand that python is not a functional language, but it > frustrates me at times. --> import operator --> operator.__all__ # public api methods are in __all__ ['abs', 'add', 'and_', 'attrgetter', 'concat', 'contains', 'countOf', 'delitem', 'eq', 'floordiv', 'ge', 'getitem', 'gt', 'iadd', 'iand', 'iconcat', 'ifloordiv', 'ilshift', 'imod', 'imul', 'index', 'indexOf', 'inv', 'invert', 'ior', 'ipow', 'irshift', 'is_', 'is_not', 'isub', 'itemgetter', 'itruediv', 'ixor', 'le', 'length_hint', 'lshift', 'lt', 'methodcaller', 'mod', 'mul', 'ne', 'neg', 'not_', 'or_', 'pos', 'pow', 'rshift', 'setitem', 'sub', 'truediv', 'truth', 'xor'] Imports are a Good Thing; not everything has to be built in. -- ~Ethan~