Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!newsfeed.eweka.nl!eweka.nl!feeder3.eweka.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.047 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.91; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:How': 0.09; 'imported': 0.09; 'namespace': 0.09; 'terry': 0.09; 'suggest': 0.11; 'library': 0.15; '(but': 0.15; '(like': 0.15; 'different?': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'sip': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'library.': 0.27; 'received:10.0.0': 0.28; 'trouble': 0.28; 'maybe': 0.29; 'knows': 0.30; 'stuff': 0.30; 'generally': 0.32; 'structure': 0.32; 'yours,': 0.33; 'received:10.0': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'list': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'add': 0.36; 'really': 0.36; 'michael': 0.36; 'message-id:@gmail.com': 0.36; 'received:74.125': 0.36; 'modules': 0.36; 'charset:us- ascii': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'received:10': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'short': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.62; 'more': 0.63; 'choose': 0.65; 'lose': 0.71; 'attractive': 0.78; 'fearing': 0.84; 'subject:improve': 0.84; 'concluded': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=KQKDQsjXX2Q+450hnCwRSOhp2qE3xk0n7y+1XDMk3Qk=; b=l1xdp6DTxuGdph3sp0U3uY27a8BCLkB0w0C6lEdfbB4/EEf8QpYdkJLPZMbxspHIED 4k4rSQ7eeIf95u+sHOB1X1P8SbJDzltza/mSW5Y5bzK5GTTZkRWLJ/DZtE/t03kd9moK lFpWXLLdI5y6t4rtINVeNhXK623X+TFahmYHJiBXeO98D3q6be5CmVLcxsKEvhd90ZvM t6KX2ayZxY+R9o73md/4XtLTlpE79LDuxINUOQzhRvYxvlIRXCy+uLZMuGaaz4Ts7437 OPINb86ChiuyVQ8D6CjovITo68sQLuiTblKRFFb24IYtZ3NpFN1ba2Aqz6BbNiR49ULz 9RIw== From: Michael Schwarz Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--36464804; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Subject: Re: How to improve the usability of nested packages Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 09:54:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: python-list@python.org References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 77 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1351932911 news.xs4all.nl 6947 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:32689 --Apple-Mail-1--36464804 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Terry On 2012-W44-5, at 18:56, Terry Reedy wrote: >> or would you maybe structure the library entirely different? >=20 > Based on my limited experience with subpackages* plus reports on this = list about problems, such as yours, I have concluded that subpackages = are an attractive nuisance that are generally more trouble than they are = worth. I suggest you consider sticking with your original flat (no = subpackage) design. (But maybe someone knows better than me how to make = subpackages work ;-). One thing that I would lose is the way I can choose very short names for = the packages and modules that are imported into the local namespace = (like sip or rtp) and also add new stuff without fearing a namespace = conflict in one of the applications using the library. I really hope there is a better way :-(. 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