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From: Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:06:12 +0000
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On 02/11/2012 18:39, rurpy@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 11/02/2012 03:36 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
>> / rurpy@yahoo.com wrote on Thu  1.Nov'12 at 15:08:26 -0700 /
>>
>>> On 11/01/2012 03:55 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
>>>> Anybody serious about programming should be using a form of
>>>> UNIX/Linux if you ask me. It's inconceivable that these systems
>>>> should be avoided if you're serious about Software Engineering
>>>> and Computer Science, etc. For UNIX there are loads of decent
>>>> news reading software and mail user agents to learn and use. slrn
>>>> is a good one and point it at gmane.org as someone else pointed
>>>> out. I can't even imagine using a browser or Google Groups, etc.
>>>> now.
>>
>>> Are you saying that this group is only for "serious" programmers?
>>
>> I don't see where my comments suggested that this group is only for
>> serious programmers. I simply believe that the UNIX platform, in
>> whatever form, is better placed and designed for all sorts of
>> computing and engineering projects. The history of UNIX speaks for
>> itself. Many Universities that offer respected and credible science
>> based degree programmes, namely engineering and computing programmes,
>> strongly encourage students to become competent with UNIX systems.
>> Windows in my opinion is really for those who use the internet on a
>> casual basis or in a commercial environment where its staff are not
>> necessarily computer literate and therefore need a platform that they
>> can use which doesn't require them to learn more complex techniques
>> and protocols. But, having said that, I'm not against Windo ws at
>> all. I use it frequently and enjoy using it most of the time.
>
> Wow, that makes me feel like I am back in the 1990s!
> Thanks for the trip down memory lane.  :-)
>
>>> "serious" is also a matter of opinion.  I have some serious
>>> programmer friends who maintain, in complete sincerity, that
>>> serious programmers should not waste time on slow, script-kiddie
>>> languages like Python, but should be developing their skills with
>>> serious professional languages like Java, C#, etc.
>>
>> That is a narrow minded approach. different languages serve different
>> purposes and it's down to the developer to use which language she
>> needs to achieve what it is they've set out to do. Sometimes, basic
>> shell scripts can be extremely powerful for certain tasks; other
>> needs will require something different. I certainly wouldn't describe
>> Python as a "script-kiddie" language. It's extremely powerful and
>> modern. So there ;-P lol
>
> Right.  I happen to agree with you and was just repeating
> an elitist attitude I've often heard where what *I* use
> is for *serious* business and what *they* use is just
> for playing around, for those without as much technical
> competence as me, etc.
>
> Without a quantitative definition of "serious" and some
> objective evidence supporting it, your opinion that unix
> is more "serious" than windows is as narrow-minded as my
> friends' opinion (which was the point I was trying to
> make and which you seem to have missed.)
>
> I don't particularly like Windows and am able to mostly
> avoid it these days, but think you should realize that
> describing it as not for *serious* use is going irritate
> some people and make you look like you are not able to
> make objective judgements.
>
> (I also hope I haven't just been suckered by a troll
> attempt, windows/unix is better then unix/windows being
> an age-old means of trolling.)
>

Does Unix now have clustering, or is it still behind VMS aka Very Much 
Safer?

-- 
Cheers.

Mark Lawrence.