Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!newsfeed.eweka.nl!eweka.nl!feeder3.eweka.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.011 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'scripts': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'style.': 0.09; 'things,': 0.09; 'url:blog': 0.10; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'language.': 0.14; '[1].': 0.16; 'nevertheless': 0.16; 'rigorous': 0.16; 'subject:son': 0.16; 'throwaway': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'hey': 0.18; 'thoughts': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; 'programming': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'switch': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; '[1]': 0.29; 'received:209.85.217': 0.29; 'programming.': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'culture.': 0.31; 'pascal': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.33; 'style': 0.33; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'etc': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'building': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'culture': 0.36; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'mine': 0.38; 'url:2012': 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'note:': 0.66; 'reservations': 0.68; 'long-term': 0.74; 'subject:wants': 0.74; '1970': 0.91; 'rusi': 0.91; 'realistic': 0.93; 'serious': 0.97; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=dWxiVNNwzVqZnW78C2J9shv4PFRg1ER4uiu5nN++mqc=; b=v5UY6p43BesJXU+77m3VGjjPRKDL9j0Us1IFq72BlR6tcA1bLxyLrC1qUA/4yc8ukn W8WR2vobLbDsevBQwpjlyBYTlPxQWlScnk4bdLAIlhfpLQXUezyJ/UC6SUr2DdWGwBIJ su6JiCYqlcfCqL9YeQaFX39JdpzXqFz4VzoZwGQG4jNSgdW+mxcCLJDXgepu8M0jsMWL 77bnJb/dQ3iW6/Xsjk55D7kx65vsm7zvoPRN0+lG0xGx1b+n5tDQyrumROPPN0o25ad3 TqHPEy5NXwUtywRPeI2KD+APorshRF0UPYsmIBzPCf2TluNvUmhY41b35k5dW09ODq1C h/sw== X-Received: by 10.152.121.73 with SMTP id li9mr1240502lab.42.1371154148786; Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:09:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <545a441b-0c2d-4b1e-82ae-024b011a400d@e1g2000pbo.googlegroups.com> References: <575a3a4c-b99f-43b4-aa2b-84dfaf3e89b4@googlegroups.com> <545a441b-0c2d-4b1e-82ae-024b011a400d@e1g2000pbo.googlegroups.com> From: Joshua Landau Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:08:28 +0100 Subject: Re: My son wants me to teach him Python To: rusi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: python-list X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1371155778 news.xs4all.nl 16002 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:57281 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:48018 On 13 June 2013 14:01, rusi wrote: > Some views of mine (controversial!). > > Python is at least two things, a language and a culture. > As a language its exceptionally dogma-neutral. > You can do OO or FP, throwaway one-off scripts or long-term system > building etc > > However as a culture it seems to prefer the OO style to the FP style. > This is unfortunate given that OO is on the down and FP is on a rise. > Some thoughts re OOP: http://blog.languager.org/2012/07/we-dont-need-no-ooooo-orientation-4.html > > So my suggestion is use some rigorous FPL like Haskell to learn/teach > programming. > After that you can switch to python or some other realistic language. Hey - Haskell is realistic [1]. > Note: I have some serious reservations regarding Haskell > http://blog.languager.org/2012/08/functional-programming-philosophical.html > Nevertheless it seems to be the best there is at the moment. > > tl;dr: Haskell is in 2013 what Pascal was in 1970 -- good for > programming pedagogy. > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list [1] http://xmonad.org/