Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.050 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.00; 'debugging.': 0.07; 'subject:postings': 0.07; 'protocols.': 0.09; 'thu': 0.09; 'itself.': 0.11; 'do,': 0.15; 'competent': 0.16; 'decent': 0.16; 'distinct': 0.16; 'programmers.': 0.16; 'respected': 0.16; 'sorts': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'pointed': 0.17; 'saying': 0.18; 'systems.': 0.18; 'windows': 0.19; 'comfortable': 0.20; 'suggested': 0.20; 'environments': 0.22; 'unix/linux': 0.22; 'cheers,': 0.23; 'programming': 0.23; 'paul': 0.24; 'testing': 0.24; 'least': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'wrote': 0.26; 'am,': 0.27; 'strongly': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; 'developing': 0.28; 'all.': 0.28; 'run': 0.28; 'environment': 0.29; 'casual': 0.29; 'loads': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'fri,': 0.30; 'projects.': 0.30; 'received:209.85.215.46': 0.30; 'waste': 0.30; 'point': 0.31; 'anybody': 0.32; 'computing': 0.32; 'could': 0.32; 'comments': 0.33; 'platform,': 0.33; 'science,': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'that,': 0.34; "can't": 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'whatever': 0.35; 'nov': 0.35; 'software,': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'engineering': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'why': 0.37; 'systems,': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'degree': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'science': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'google': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'most': 0.61; 'email addr:yahoo.com': 0.61; 'helps': 0.63; 'necessarily': 0.63; 'techniques': 0.63; 'effective': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'agents': 0.64; 'other.': 0.64; 'become': 0.65; 'therefore': 0.65; 'offer': 0.65; 'frequently': 0.65; 'universities': 0.65; 'enjoy': 0.67; 'news': 0.68; 'believe': 0.69; 'internet': 0.71; 'commercial': 0.73; 'to:name:python': 0.84; 'speaks': 0.91; 'imagine': 0.96; 'serious': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HU7rabKO8SQB28nzaUF+AtimpSLrPub6neGaN9EvDK4=; b=Vpkt3f0ur1k/nnv4mP/bUZ1kJFDmBibH/9P/9REsaLGFXETThQHlkkGc9qqm4CstuM jLf9mvn4WgeZR3mCO1mNI3/0RKZbsoexz6VyJz9zYff8S70w+HgAoo2GlkFCrwGktHC1 1yqEhN2UqOXGOoxBIWUzhpssLNrgB2GqbyJC8eEm+QyaTdh8w9irvlETEM6covAbylUY YuKZz8Kj0LJKaJ7yGDg6Zb+JQyO121abf0A1wIIsGRiMKWGUn4iZJEbHOI3rMdQ0rhwY 0tyGTeOFmP0xu+4pefM8/c70BICIJHIaxY8v9mo7Qp5yBJozWRnpqiytoIW/46ZaixUV 9uww== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20121102093654.GH15963@kontrol.kode5.net> References: <5055a1a6$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4f9d9a0b-539a-4b6a-af3e-b02d1f4006ee@googlegroups.com> <87wqzum7h6.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <6c732de0-b10f-4d40-853c-f62682970117@rg9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> <20121102093654.GH15963@kontrol.kode5.net> From: Ian Kelly Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 11:42:14 -0600 Subject: Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups To: Python Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1351878172 news.xs4all.nl 6887 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48002 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:32643 On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > / rurpy@yahoo.com wrote on Thu 1.Nov'12 at 15:08:26 -0700 / > >> On 11/01/2012 03:55 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: >> > Anybody serious about programming should be using a form of >> > UNIX/Linux if you ask me. It's inconceivable that these systems >> > should be avoided if you're serious about Software Engineering and >> > Computer Science, etc. For UNIX there are loads of decent news >> > reading software and mail user agents to learn and use. slrn is a >> > good one and point it at gmane.org as someone else pointed out. I >> > can't even imagine using a browser or Google Groups, etc. now. > >> Are you saying that this group is only for "serious" programmers? > > I don't see where my comments suggested that this group is only for serio= us programmers. I simply believe that the UNIX platform, in whatever form, = is better placed and designed for all sorts of computing and engineering pr= ojects. The history of UNIX speaks for itself. Many Universities that offer= respected and credible science based degree programmes, namely engineering= and computing programmes, strongly encourage students to become competent = with UNIX systems. Windows in my opinion is really for those who use the in= ternet on a casual basis or in a commercial environment where its staff are= not necessarily computer literate and therefore need a platform that they = can use which doesn't require them to learn more complex techniques and pro= tocols. But, having said that, I'm not against Windows at all. I use it fre= quently and enjoy using it most of the time. I am comfortable with both Windows and Unix systems, and I do not find that either environment is particularly more effective for software engineering or helps me to be more productive than the other. My job has me developing Windows software, so I use Windows at work since at the very least I require it for testing and debugging. I could use virtualization to run Unix as well, and I have known some who do, but my philosophy is: why waste time dealing with two distinct environments where only one is required? Cheers, Ian