Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.062 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.88; '*S*': 0.01; '(except': 0.07; '(aka': 0.09; 'subject:design': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'def': 0.12; 'language,': 0.12; 'from:addr:python': 0.16; 'magic': 0.16; 'subject:Language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'function': 0.29; 'operations': 0.35; 'received:84': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'false': 0.36; 'wrong': 0.37; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'functional': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'simply': 0.61; 'such': 0.63; 'fact,': 0.69; 'special': 0.74; 'satisfied': 0.81; 'ethan': 0.84; 'furman': 0.84; 'received:arcor-ip.net': 0.84; 'received:pools.arcor- ip.net': 0.84 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 19:51:31 +0200 From: Markus Rother User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130422 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Language design References: <522eb795$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5230D58E.9020508@markusrother.de> <5230DD68.2080703@stoneleaf.us> In-Reply-To: <5230DD68.2080703@stoneleaf.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de; python@markusrother.de; 1379008289; f3c299f3; X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1379008290 news.xs4all.nl 16012 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59501 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:54071 On 11.09.2013 23:15, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 09/11/2013 01:41 PM, Markus Rother wrote: >> >>> () == [] >> False >> >> But: >> >> >>> bool(().__eq__([])) >> True > > This is not a trap, this is simply the wrong way to do it. The magic > methods (aka dunder methods) are there for Python to call, not you > (except under special circumstances, such as when writing your own > dunder methods). While trying to do it, I learned that its not the right way to do it. However, I was not satisfied with the fact, that there is no built in pure function for operations on primitives. Such that >>> def get_do_stuff (fn): ... def do_stuff(x,y): ... return fn(x,y) ... return do_stuff I understand that python is not a functional language, but it frustrates me at times. Markus