Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.015 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'subject:postings': 0.07; 'scripts': 0.09; 'python': 0.09; 'protocols.': 0.09; "they've": 0.09; 'thu': 0.09; 'itself.': 0.11; 'programmer': 0.11; "wouldn't": 0.11; 'language': 0.14; 'java,': 0.15; ';-p': 0.16; 'competent': 0.16; 'decent': 0.16; 'programmers.': 0.16; 'respected': 0.16; 'slow,': 0.16; 'sorts': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'certainly': 0.17; 'pointed': 0.17; 'saying': 0.18; 'shell': 0.18; 'systems.': 0.18; 'windows': 0.19; 'developer': 0.19; 'suggested': 0.20; 'do.': 0.21; 'unix/linux': 0.22; 'programming': 0.23; 'purposes': 0.23; 'paul': 0.24; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'wrote': 0.26; 'am,': 0.27; 'language.': 0.27; 'strongly': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; 'developing': 0.28; 'all.': 0.28; 'environment': 0.29; 'casual': 0.29; 'loads': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'projects.': 0.30; 'waste': 0.30; 'basic': 0.30; 'point': 0.31; 'anybody': 0.32; 'computing': 0.32; 'certain': 0.33; 'comments': 0.33; 'platform,': 0.33; 'science,': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'languages': 0.33; 'that,': 0.34; "can't": 0.34; 'whatever': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'serve': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'programmers': 0.36; 'engineering': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'charset :us-ascii': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'degree': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'science': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'google': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'skip:" 10': 0.40; 'content-disposition:inline': 0.60; 'most': 0.61; 'email addr:yahoo.com': 0.61; 'matter': 0.61; 'necessarily': 0.63; 'techniques': 0.63; 'different': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'agents': 0.64; 'become': 0.65; 'therefore': 0.65; 'offer': 0.65; 'frequently': 0.65; 'universities': 0.65; 'enjoy': 0.67; 'news': 0.68; 'believe': 0.69; 'internet': 0.71; 'commercial': 0.73; 'friends': 0.83; 'different.': 0.84; 'received:80.229': 0.84; 'tasks;': 0.84; 'approach.': 0.91; 'speaks': 0.91; 'imagine': 0.96; 'serious': 0.98 X-Authentication-Warning: kontrol.kode5.net: jamie set sender to jamie@kode5.net using -f Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:36:54 +0000 From: Jamie Paul Griffin To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups References: <5055a1a6$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4f9d9a0b-539a-4b6a-af3e-b02d1f4006ee@googlegroups.com> <87wqzum7h6.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <6c732de0-b10f-4d40-853c-f62682970117@rg9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: x-operating-system: OpenBSD 5.1 amd64 x-pgp-fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38 x-pgp-key: 1D31DC38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1351849017 news.xs4all.nl 6986 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59978 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:32609 / rurpy@yahoo.com wrote on Thu 1.Nov'12 at 15:08:26 -0700 / > On 11/01/2012 03:55 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > > Anybody serious about programming should be using a form of > > UNIX/Linux if you ask me. It's inconceivable that these systems > > should be avoided if you're serious about Software Engineering and > > Computer Science, etc. For UNIX there are loads of decent news > > reading software and mail user agents to learn and use. slrn is a > > good one and point it at gmane.org as someone else pointed out. I > > can't even imagine using a browser or Google Groups, etc. now. > Are you saying that this group is only for "serious" programmers? I don't see where my comments suggested that this group is only for serious programmers. I simply believe that the UNIX platform, in whatever form, is better placed and designed for all sorts of computing and engineering projects. The history of UNIX speaks for itself. Many Universities that offer respected and credible science based degree programmes, namely engineering and computing programmes, strongly encourage students to become competent with UNIX systems. Windows in my opinion is really for those who use the internet on a casual basis or in a commercial environment where its staff are not necessarily computer literate and therefore need a platform that they can use which doesn't require them to learn more complex techniques and protocols. But, having said that, I'm not against Windows at all. I use it frequently and enjoy using it most of the time. > "serious" is also a matter of opinion. I have some serious > programmer friends who maintain, in complete sincerity, that > serious programmers should not waste time on slow, script-kiddie > languages like Python, but should be developing their skills > with serious professional languages like Java, C#, etc. That is a narrow minded approach. different languages serve different purposes and it's down to the developer to use which language she needs to achieve what it is they've set out to do. Sometimes, basic shell scripts can be extremely powerful for certain tasks; other needs will require something different. I certainly wouldn't describe Python as a "script-kiddie" language. It's extremely powerful and modern. So there ;-P lol