Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'classes,': 0.05; 'needed,': 0.05; 'class,': 0.07; 'classes.': 0.07; 'cure': 0.07; 'problem?': 0.07; 'suppose': 0.07; 'type,': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'already.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subclass': 0.09; 'looked': 0.10; 'def': 0.10; 'subject:python': 0.11; 'file,': 0.15; 'classes:': 0.16; 'googled': 0.16; 'hurt.': 0.16; 'hurts': 0.16; 'nightmare': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:dip.t-dialin.net': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:t-dialin.net': 0.16; 'released.': 0.16; 'subclasses.': 0.16; 'subject:their': 0.16; 'martin': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; '>>>': 0.18; 'module': 0.19; 'appropriate': 0.20; 'code.': 0.20; 'import': 0.21; "i'd": 0.22; 'absolute': 0.23; "haven't": 0.23; 'pass': 0.25; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.26; 'extend': 0.26; 'am,': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.28; 'lines': 0.28; 'this?': 0.28; 'actual': 0.28; 'trouble': 0.28; 'grouping': 0.29; 'long.': 0.29; 'methods.': 0.29; 'piece': 0.29; 'objects': 0.29; 'source': 0.29; 'class': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'maybe': 0.29; 'classes': 0.30; 'that.': 0.30; 'usually': 0.30; 'normally': 0.30; 'sense': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'google,': 0.32; 'operate': 0.32; 'could': 0.32; 'print': 0.32; 'skip:s 30': 0.33; 'belong': 0.33; 'instances': 0.33; 'like:': 0.33; 'handle': 0.33; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.33; 'another': 0.33; 'version': 0.34; 'project': 0.34; 'minimum': 0.34; 'list': 0.35; 'clear': 0.35; 'needed': 0.35; 'so,': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'add': 0.36; 'received:org': 0.36; 'really': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'alone': 0.36; 'data.': 0.36; 'modules': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'method': 0.36; 'editor': 0.37; 'data': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'object': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'things': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'list,': 0.39; 'little': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'end': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'bring': 0.62; 'relatively': 0.62; 'repeat': 0.62; 'close': 0.63; 'different': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'here': 0.65; 'maintenance': 0.65; 'organisation': 0.65; 'dear': 0.66; 'analysis': 0.70; '100': 0.78; 'clearly.': 0.84; 'otten': 0.84; 'overloading': 0.84; 'seriously,': 0.91; 'many,': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> Subject: Re: Organisation of python classes and their methods Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:17:16 +0100 Organization: None References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p50849249.dip.t-dialin.net User-Agent: KNode/4.7.3 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 105 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1351847843 news.xs4all.nl 6934 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53637 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:32608 Martin Hewitson wrote: > > On 2, Nov, 2012, at 09:00 AM, Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> wrote: > >> Martin Hewitson wrote: >> >>> Dear list, >>> >>> I'm relatively new to Python and have googled and googled but haven't >>> found a reasonable answer to this question, so I thought I'd ask it >>> here. >>> >>> I'm beginning a large Python project which contains many packages, >>> modules and classes. The organisation of those is clear to me. >>> >>> Now, the classes can contain many methods (100s of data analysis >>> methods) which operate on instances of the class they belong to. These >>> methods can be long and complex. So if I put these methods all in the >>> module file inside the class, the file will get insanely long. Reading >>> on google, the answer is usually "refactor", but that really doesn't >>> make sense here. It's just that the methods are many, and each method >>> can be a long piece of code. So, is there a way to put these methods in >>> their own files and have them 'included' in the class somehow? I read a >>> little about mixins but all the solutions looked very hacky. Is there an >>> official python way to do this? I don't like having source files with >>> 100's of lines of code in, let alone 1000's. >> >> You googled, found the right answer ("refactor"), didn't like it and are >> now looking to cure the symptoms of the original problem? >> Seriously, a good editor can deal with a long source file, but a class >> with hundreds of methods will bring trouble to any old brain. > > Well, here we disagree. Suppose I have a class which encapsulates > time-series data. Below is a list of the absolute minimum methods one > would have to process that data. That's close to 100 already before even > having any specialised methods for dealing with the data. Each of these > methods will have maybe 20 lines of documentation. That's 2000 lines > already. And what if someone wants to extend that class to add their own > processing methods? from timeseries import TimeSeries class MyTimeSeries(TimeSeries): def average(): # specialised implementation > It would a maintenance nightmare for them to edit the > actual class file, which they would then have to repeat each time a new > version of the 'official' class file is released. Patient: Doctor, it hurts when I ... Doctor: Then don't do that. > So maybe some rethinking of this design is needed to handle this > 'limitation' of python. Perhaps grouping the processing algorithms into > methods of processing classes, then pass the data objects to these > methods. But somehow I don't like that. I have the feeling these methods > would end up peppered with things like: > > if this data type, do this > else if this data type, do this > else .... > > normally this would be solved by overloading methods in different data > subclasses. You could ask your TimeSeries for the appropriate Statistics subclass stats = ts.get_stats() print stats.mean() where get_stats() is a classmethod that returns an object that provides min(), max(), average() etc. Another approach are mix-in classes: class Stats: def min(): ... def average(): ... class SpecialStats(Stats): def min(): return 42 class TimeSeries(BaseTimeSeries, Stats): pass class SpecialTimeSeries(BaseTimeSeries, SpecialStats): pass > 'abs' [...] > 'zeropad' You are not perchance reimplementing numpy? > More thinking needed, clearly. That will never hurt. Well, almost: http://www.theonion.com/articles/beaver-overthinking-dam,1942/ :)