Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.045 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.91; '*S*': 0.00; 'explicit': 0.07; 'lawyer.': 0.09; 'propagating': 0.09; 'subject:skip:c 10': 0.09; 'url:github': 0.09; 'developer': 0.10; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; '*should*': 0.16; 'earlier.': 0.16; 'ground,': 0.16; 'janssen': 0.16; 'judge,': 0.16; 'propagated': 0.16; 'responsible,': 0.16; 'saying.': 0.16; 'sign.': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**1': 0.23; 'either.': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'second': 0.26; 'somewhere': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'point': 0.28; 'topic': 0.29; 'words': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'that.': 0.31; 'continually': 0.31; 'continues': 0.31; 'allows': 0.31; "we're": 0.32; 'open': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'cases': 0.33; 'common': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'list.': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'law,': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'received:74.125': 0.39; 'highest': 0.39; 'system.': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'url:mail': 0.40; "you're": 0.61; 'story': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'default': 0.69; 'commercial': 0.71; 'lol.': 0.74; 'balanced': 0.84; 'constitution': 0.84; 'lawyer,': 0.84; 'posing': 0.84; 'subject:tool': 0.84; 'sue': 0.84; 'agreement.': 0.91; 'urban': 0.91; 'fight': 0.97; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=4Js4KyGluQ0RsLSNIgkCizGfmCgPHT4W1n1PbqMvpvA=; b=DgMKFqh+g53zGNTnEA9i5hILttqTR30TppOMPMz0Cf4OAVdIf4jMs00Q3CnPSkKmWS 9IBzirJBRVPZhi/EuNADbK4yMMVSrJSFxDUsNaVJX8BhZDwQ4MyWw6eKtVgwtaHWcgS4 Y7ZUmhduxMU+10IHQtHB4oZWdUMus/L6XsJDwh0n1UNsSNKV80XSIacVDDgWRyWAKo7L N3bKpi5Qox3mXNNhXPVWC0z7WAglTH5y1krmMChqbk3JeCQ2JALaI4hfYAnKTA6EZ3Dw /xrcohIJlscepX1BIfxnYmb8Fpk9wDDQJ8zjZZW58z5LFkDsNh9gBoZA6Y7T5+gDlV0G 21Ig== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.14.183.198 with SMTP id q46mr57055514eem.1.1365489726829; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 23:42:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <48f984a0-7702-4cba-9021-06c3985646da@googlegroups.com> <5161f508$0$29995$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51637779.7020209@davea.name> <5163AF6B.7040104@davea.name> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 23:42:06 -0700 Subject: Re: im.py: a python communications tool From: Demian Brecht To: Mark Janssen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Python X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1365489734 news.xs4all.nl 6973 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35314 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:43123 We're /definitely/ on topic for this list. Just saying. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:20 PM, Mark Janssen wrote: >> I'm not a lawyer, and I suspect you're not either. If a burglar climbs up >> my trellis to try to attain a second floor window, and comes crashing to the >> ground, he may very well successfully sue me for not having a warning sign. > > No, I understand these cases are common lore, but it's this bullshit > which is ruining everything that was balanced by the Constitution. By > propagating such ideas, it continues the idea that we're all victims > to our own system of law, but we are the tacit *creators* of it by our > own negligence, and frankly, pessimism. > > This is a system of, by and for the People -- those are the words of > the Constitution of the United States which is the highest law of the > land. People need to fight this "enabler" creep, that allows it to > continually be co-opted by fear-story, like the one that was being > propagated earlier. We're not victims here. The story of a burglar > suing a homeowner is either urban myth and a hoax, or a gross default > somewhere in the judicial system. It should not be considered case > history or "de facto" law and left at that. > >>> If a hospital takes your open source code and someone >>> dies, the hospital must be >> >> No, *should* *be* >> >>> held responsible, because the open source >>> developer is not posing as an expert of anything, nor has she made it >>> for some explicit purpose for you like in a commercial agreement. > > (re: must vs. should) Legally, you are right, but I was speaking from > the point of view of a judge, rather than a lawyer. Like the sheriff > says: "I make the law around here!" lol. > > Mark > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Demian Brecht http://demianbrecht.github.com