Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!rt.uk.eu.org!feed.xsnews.nl!border-2.ams.xsnews.nl!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'python)': 0.05; 'subject:postings': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'linux.': 0.09; 'url:faqs': 0.09; 'programmer': 0.11; 'java,': 0.15; '(including,': 0.16; 'decent': 0.16; 'demonstrable': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'meanwhile': 0.16; 'not;': 0.16; 'slow,': 0.16; 'url:catb': 0.16; 'url:~esr': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'pointed': 0.17; 'saying': 0.18; 'windows': 0.19; 'unix/linux': 0.22; 'programming': 0.23; 'paul': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'am,': 0.27; 'language.': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'developing': 0.28; 'build,': 0.29; 'loads': 0.29; 'probably': 0.29; 'fri,': 0.30; 'waste': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'point': 0.31; 'anybody': 0.32; 'maintains': 0.33; 'science,': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'languages': 0.33; "can't": 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'done': 0.34; 'nov': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'programmers': 0.36; 'engineering': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'google': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'most': 0.61; 'matter': 0.61; 'agents': 0.64; 'grab': 0.64; 'details,': 0.65; 'to,': 0.65; 'news': 0.68; 'friends': 0.83; 'modern,': 0.91; 'imagine': 0.96; 'serious': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=RKgjMLdOVY2uG8O6XOKzzt9ifAM+FYGLq0WILClOqpM=; b=yFaPJFK7lGyPBRNf44g/zi+MYhmAcFo/e0hMoRR/UmD63KQotKcOtaNodEeBX+u6px Yjj8XHQPInuhe92UZmZdF6SEmjZweSIOI8LI/k143TUje7BY2eidZSPML7qmsMpS/YmS 37Z/F9N1x+GSq0Vuz8kus3h40tQsRi834fv8hXNHC0WGLquUVD5yQOfYaerVUWKGsB51 BGtOtye4XCxe56GqL7r2lHtuEGycD14e4xAk60gfvenno+3Cyp78RaK458xydsM/1OZJ SH0sA7WS/22+dKzrXWTSAGAxavN4i/c6Jde0/YvtVKe2Ns64+acGc/LZIhCZkFSQM+qq L9zw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <8370412f-5176-45ff-87eb-72cbca5149d5@googlegroups.com> <5055a1a6$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4f9d9a0b-539a-4b6a-af3e-b02d1f4006ee@googlegroups.com> <87wqzum7h6.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <6c732de0-b10f-4d40-853c-f62682970117@rg9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 10:32:08 +1100 Subject: Re: Obnoxious postings from Google Groups From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1351812730 news.xs4all.nl 6879 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39053 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:32582 On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:08 AM, wrote: > On 11/01/2012 03:55 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: >> Anybody serious about programming should be using a form of >> UNIX/Linux if you ask me. It's inconceivable that these systems >> should be avoided if you're serious about Software Engineering and >> Computer Science, etc. For UNIX there are loads of decent news >> reading software and mail user agents to learn and use. slrn is a >> good one and point it at gmane.org as someone else pointed out. I >> can't even imagine using a browser or Google Groups, etc. now. > > Are you saying that this group is only for "serious" programmers? It's not; also, so long as Python maintains an official Windows build, this list/group will be fielding questions about Windows. But there's still good reason to grab a Linux. http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#idp29970256 > "serious" is also a matter of opinion. I have some serious > programmer friends who maintain, in complete sincerity, that > serious programmers should not waste time on slow, script-kiddie > languages like Python, but should be developing their skills > with serious professional languages like Java, C#, etc. And there are probably still a few around who maintain that Java, C#, and even C are too modern, and that serious programmers use FORTRAN or COBOL. Or assembly language. Let 'em. Meanwhile I'll have demonstrable code done while they're still fiddling around with details, because my languages (including, though by no means limited to, Python) do most of the work for me. ChrisA