Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.etla.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'utf-8': 0.07; 'ascii': 0.09; 'bytes.': 0.09; 'character,': 0.09; 'expense': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'tismer': 0.09; 'used.': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; '3.3,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:tasks': 0.16; 'unicode.': 0.16; '\xe9crit': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'memory': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'coding': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'byte': 0.24; 'bytes': 0.24; 'text,': 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; 'second': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'correct': 0.29; 'character': 0.29; 'needed.': 0.30; '(which': 0.31; '(although': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'languages': 0.32; 'but': 0.35; 'largely': 0.36; 'scheme': 0.36; 'starting': 0.37; 'christian': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'world.': 0.61; 'save': 0.62; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'side': 0.67; 'between': 0.67; 'optimized': 0.68; 'beats': 0.84; 'blob': 0.84; 'characters,': 0.84; 'novembre': 0.84; 'samedi': 0.84; 'why?': 0.91; 'choice.': 0.93; 'endorsed': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: python for everyday tasks Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:33:35 +0000 References: <5737051f-26d4-4771-b4a0-d41062f1a4ef@googlegroups.com> <52900c74$0$29993$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-186-20.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1385386433 news.xs4all.nl 15977 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46989 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:60416 On 25/11/2013 10:12, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote: > Le samedi 23 novembre 2013 03:01:26 UTC+1, Steven D'Aprano a écrit : >> >> * Python 3 (although not Python 2) is one of the few languages that get >> >> Unicode *right*. Strings in Python 3 are text, sequences of Unicode >> >> characters, not a thinly disguised blob of bytes. Starting with Python >> >> 3.3, Python does away with the difference between "narrow builds" (which >> >> save memory at the expense of correctness) and "wide builds" (which give >> >> correct Unicode behaviour at the cost of memory). Instead, Python 3.3 now >> >> has optimized strings that use only as much memory as needed. Pure ASCII >> >> strings will use 1 byte per character, while Unicode strings use 1, 2 or >> >> 4 bytes per character as needed. And it all happens transparently. >> > [topic beeing more of less closed] > > Your paragraph is mixing different concepts. > > When it comes to save memory, utf-8 is the choice. It > beats largely the FSR on the side of memory and on > the side of performances. > > How and why? I suggest, you have a deeper understanding > of unicode. > > May I recall, it is one of the coding scheme endorsed > by "Unicode.org" and it is intensively used. This is not > by chance. > > jmf > Yet more double spaced crap. -- Python is the second best programming language in the world. But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer Mark Lawrence