Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.055 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.89; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'tkinter': 0.07; 'wednesday,': 0.07; 'canvas.': 0.09; 'output,': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'gui': 0.12; 'suggest': 0.14; '(actually': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'patience': 0.16; 'subject:son': 0.16; 'unnecessary.': 0.16; 'which,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'input': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'along': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'usually': 0.31; '13,': 0.31; 'material.': 0.31; 'development.': 0.33; 'not.': 0.33; 'something': 0.35; 'johnson': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; "he's": 0.36; 'whilst': 0.36; 'application': 0.37; 'starting': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'resource': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; '12,': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'son': 0.61; 'no.': 0.61; 'john': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'provide': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'road': 0.65; 'world': 0.66; 'bottom': 0.67; "today's": 0.70; 'subject:wants': 0.74; 'experiences,': 0.84; 'prefers': 0.84; 'graphical': 0.91; 'before?': 0.93; 'rick': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EYF+mJiJxDKpneMDFKGK+Hey9SbA/OrLUbTJQeHVPsE=; b=iF786e9FL02qq33NuPaXslr+lAHWgknXKaCedJL9NfR41gF2O/ps4elQKLIDFhLMR1 45gbrjIy5ROZmnf0kwITs38x82DYvkuVGbjAjLz5Rq6hMft+NPV7tYZAl4mbJ63Ds4L4 YMuBXVUmFB91yJthkgs5zlDD8CBfVHZ1T4EyeVZeEoWsx1VQY9HxaWtvUKSU1JKEVmRw NFn28Ht/JtiXK+6Vdgo26k/Kas7ZQ5nMGBHtzGzbTYED3KGLWGCRduIpQBhi0mJb4L1Y g5ydLk4l1FzP+ZSaQJZoaYUdNTM71VGTyiZAcU0wQPDRfN9l8BGbLveV/RVsvb+54Kg6 YlYg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.112.76 with SMTP id v12mr10826325vcp.63.1371096524567; Wed, 12 Jun 2013 21:08:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0d636b8f-09fa-43d0-8795-29485e4edb5e@googlegroups.com> References: <575a3a4c-b99f-43b4-aa2b-84dfaf3e89b4@googlegroups.com> <0d636b8f-09fa-43d0-8795-29485e4edb5e@googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:08:44 +1000 Subject: Re: My son wants me to teach him Python From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1371096532 news.xs4all.nl 15924 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33667 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:47892 On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: > On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 2:46:13 PM UTC-5, John Ladasky wrote: >> [...] >> He's a smart kid, but prefers to be shown, to be tutored, >> rather than having the patience to sit down and RTFM. >> Have any of you been down this road before? I would >> appreciate it if you would share your experiences, or >> provide resource material. > > Hello John. > > I'm going to suggest a completely different path to enlightenment for the lad. A path that has the potential for semi-instant gratification whilst also humbling the boy to the grim realities of computer graphics and application development. *evil grin* > > Since your son has zero experience with both graphical and application based programming i would suggest starting at (near) the very bottom of the GUI spectrum, which, in the Python world would be the Tkinter Canvas. No. Definitely not. Programming does NOT begin with a GUI. It begins with something *simple*, so you're not stuck fiddling around with the unnecessary. On today's computers, that usually means console I/O (actually console output, with console input coming along much later). ChrisA