Path: csiph.com!optima2.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!bcyclone04.am1.xlned.com!bcyclone04.am1.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed7.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.011 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'modify': 0.04; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'term,': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'missed': 0.15; 'mathematics': 0.15; 'expressions?': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'well-known': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'stefan': 0.18; 'variables': 0.18; 'ron': 0.22; 'cheers,': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'url:wikipedia': 0.29; 'environment': 0.29; 'url:wiki': 0.30; 'maybe': 0.31; 'common': 0.33; 'ram': 0.33; 'changed': 0.35; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; "isn't": 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'so,': 0.37; 'should': 0.37; 'world,': 0.38; 'received:org': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.39; 'url:en': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'why': 0.40; 'term': 0.60; 'learn': 0.60; 'world': 0.64; 'url:%1': 0.66; 'url:%28': 0.66; 'url:%29': 0.66; 'header:Reply-To:1': 0.67; 'reply-to:no real name:2**0': 0.71; 'reply-to:addr:gmail.com': 0.77; 'influencing': 0.84; 'phenomenon': 0.84; 'subject: ...': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ron Adam Subject: Re: (side-)effects and ... Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:50:56 -0400 References: Reply-To: ron3200@gmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip98-170-222-146.pn.at.cox.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1436151072 news.xs4all.nl 2827 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34695 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl X-Received-Bytes: 3772 X-Received-Body-CRC: 3176792189 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:93515 On 07/05/2015 04:29 PM, Stefan Ram wrote: > But why do we not have a common and well-known term for > the counterpart, that something does not modify the state > of the world, but that the state of the world does > influence the value (behaviour) of a call such as > »datetime.datetime.now().time()«? > > And this is the intention of my post: Maybe there is such > a term, and I just missed to learn it so far? So, > do you know a term for the phenomenon that can be found > in Python but not in mathematics and consists in the state > of the world influencing the value of an expressions? Variables that are changed from an outside environment are "Volatile". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volatile_%28computer_programming%29 It isn't used in python, though I think maybe it should be. Cheers, Ron