Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!us.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder5.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'programmer': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'attribute': 0.07; 'explanation': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'try:': 0.09; 'def': 0.12; 'callable': 0.16; 'callable.': 0.16; 'descriptor': 0.16; 'err:': 0.16; 'foo()': 0.16; 'foo():': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:dip0.t-ipconnect.de': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:t-ipconnect.de': 0.16; 'exception': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'him.': 0.24; "shouldn't": 0.24; 'script': 0.25; 'pass': 0.26; 'post': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'skip:@ 10': 0.30; "skip:' 10": 0.31; 'directly,': 0.31; 'object.': 0.31; 'class': 0.32; 'actual': 0.34; 'maybe': 0.34; 'except': 0.35; 'false': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'explain': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'read': 0.60; 'matter': 0.61; 'details': 0.65; 'legal': 0.71; 'delegated': 0.84; 'otten': 0.84; 'pardon': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> Subject: Re: Behavior of staticmethod in Python 3 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 22:51:22 +0100 Organization: None References: <5290C30D.5060604@rece.vub.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5084ac13.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: KNode/4.7.3 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1385243464 news.xs4all.nl 15943 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:49429 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:60322 Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 23-11-13 10:01, Peter Otten schreef: > >> >> Your script is saying that a staticmethod instance is not a callable >> object. It need not be because >> >> Foo.foo() >> >> doesn't call the Foo.foo attribute directly, it calls >> >> Foo.foo.__get__(None, Foo)() > > I think you are burdening the programmer with implemantation details > that don't matter to him. > > IMO if Foo.foo() is legal then Foo.foo is callable. That the actual call > is delegated to Foo.foo.__get__(None, Foo) shouldn't matter. If you read the original post -- I think in this case the details do matter. What is your highlevel explanation for >> class Foo: ... @staticmethod ... def foo(): pass ... try: foo() ... except Exception as err: ... print(err) ... 'staticmethod' object is not callable >>> Foo.foo() or maybe clearer: >>> @staticmethod ... def foo(): pass ... >>> def bar(): pass ... >>> class Foo: ... foo = foo ... bar = bar ... >>> Foo.bar is bar True >>> Foo.foo is foo False How would you explain that without mentioning the descriptor protocol?