Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Tim Chase Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Guido sees the light: PEP 8 updated Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 12:43:21 -0500 Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <5711c1b3$0$1596$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87shym6kpo.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87h9f26ioa.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <1460809922.1918014.580580553.0AE05EE4@webmail.messagingengine.com> <878u0d7az5.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <93639142-6b82-4b8a-8bd0-7f4593e1f692@googlegroups.com> <5716595b$0$1585$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <3d95437c-6427-46d2-8e9f-470f121194cd@googlegroups.com> <20160419124321.361751dc@bigbox.christie.dr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de Can31efhN0PbIP4UTGgoLgtsbADVopckChI1raUuYjDQ== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.061 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.88; '*S*': 0.00; 'binary': 0.05; 'subject:PEP': 0.07; 'apps': 0.15; '-tkc': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.list': 0.16; 'from:addr:tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'from:name:tim chase': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'case.': 0.18; "haven't": 0.24; 'xml': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; "doesn't": 0.26; 'disk': 0.27; 'streaming': 0.27; 'cpu': 0.29; 'figured': 0.29; 'markup': 0.29; 'mind,': 0.29; 'you?': 0.30; 'stream': 0.33; 'skype': 0.34; 'file': 0.34; 'text': 0.35; 'sometimes': 0.35; 'possible': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.37; 'stuff': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'format': 0.39; 'subject:the': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'captures': 0.84; 'dia': 0.84; 'dia:': 0.84; 'pain': 0.84; 'received:23': 0.84; 'streams': 0.84; 'text-based': 0.84; 'received:10.36': 0.91 X-Sender-Id: wwwh|x-authuser|tim@thechases.com X-Sender-Id: wwwh|x-authuser|tim@thechases.com X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: wwwh|x-authuser|tim@thechases.com X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: wwwh X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1461088016068:1251430226 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1461088016068 In-Reply-To: <3d95437c-6427-46d2-8e9f-470f121194cd@googlegroups.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-AuthUser: tim@thechases.com X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <20160419124321.361751dc@bigbox.christie.dr> X-Mailman-Original-References: <5711c1b3$0$1596$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87shym6kpo.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87h9f26ioa.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <1460809922.1918014.580580553.0AE05EE4@webmail.messagingengine.com> <878u0d7az5.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <93639142-6b82-4b8a-8bd0-7f4593e1f692@googlegroups.com> <5716595b$0$1585$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <3d95437c-6427-46d2-8e9f-470f121194cd@googlegroups.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:107351 On 2016-04-19 09:46, Rustom Mody wrote: > inkscape > gimp > blender > libreoffice writer/calc/prese > wireshark > skype > firefox > audacity > musescore > totem > vlc > dia > > Do these look like text-based apps to you? Well, let's take a look at their native file formats: Inkscape: SVG Libreoffice: compressed XML Firefox: HTML+CSS+JS Musescore: compressed text Dia: compressed XML While I haven't used Musescore, I have used the others and hand-edited the files in each case. Using vi/vim, or even ed(1). Because I can, and sometimes because I have to in order to do some convoluted process that would be a pain to do in a GUI. For Gimp, Blender, Audacity, Totem, and VLC, those all deal with binary streams of their content-type. Skype being proprietary, it doesn't interoperate with bupkis. So wireshark is the only outlier in my mind, though since it captures binary packets, I suspect the native format is optimized for streaming stuff from the NIC to the disk as fast as possible (though given CPU and disk speeds, I would have figured that a gzipped stream of text markup would be almost as good). -tkc