Path: csiph.com!optima2.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed8.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.011 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'namespace': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'term,': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.11; 'def': 0.14; 'missed': 0.15; 'mathematics': 0.15; 'expressions?': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'stefan': 0.18; 'defined': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'terry': 0.29; '(which': 0.29; 'maybe': 0.31; 'ram': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'so,': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'term': 0.60; 'learn': 0.60; 'skip:n 10': 0.63; 'world': 0.64; 'here': 0.66; '4:29': 0.84; 'influencing': 0.84; 'phenomenon': 0.84; 'subject: ...': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: (side-)effects and ... Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 19:12:40 -0400 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-98-114-97-173.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1436137983 news.xs4all.nl 2892 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33612 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:93512 On 7/5/2015 4:29 PM, Stefan Ram wrote: > And this is the intention of my post: Maybe there is such > a term, and I just missed to learn it so far? So, > do you know a term for the phenomenon that can be found > in Python but not in mathematics and consists in the state > of the world influencing the value of an expressions? non-determinate state-dependent In mathematics, 'pure' functions defined in terms of named functions, such as def f(x): return exp(sin(2*pi*x) + cos(2*pi*x)) are actually namespace dependent, but this is not counted as the local namespace (which here must contain exp, pi, sin, and cos) is considered to be write-once, read-forever. -- Terry Jan Reedy