Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'attribute': 0.05; 'sys': 0.05; "'a'": 0.07; 'executed': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'imported.': 0.09; 'mkdir': 0.09; 'references,': 0.09; 'thereof.': 0.09; 'file,': 0.15; '2.7.3': 0.16; '__init__.py': 0.16; 'confusion': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'm.a': 0.16; 'modules,': 0.16; 'simpson': 0.16; 'subject:import': 0.16; 'thought.': 0.16; 'variations': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'saying': 0.18; '>>>': 0.18; 'module': 0.19; 'code.': 0.20; 'file.': 0.20; 'import': 0.21; '"",': 0.22; 'object.': 0.22; 'example': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; '(most': 0.27; 'module.': 0.27; 'once,': 0.29; 'writes:': 0.29; 'source': 0.29; 'function': 0.30; 'expect': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; 'gets': 0.32; 'file': 0.32; 'traceback': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'ben': 0.35; 'described': 0.35; 'exist': 0.35; 'false': 0.35; 'same.': 0.35; "won't": 0.35; 'created': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'test': 0.36; 'execute': 0.37; 'level': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'why': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'object': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:192': 0.39; 'received:192.168': 0.40; 'first': 0.61; 'different': 0.63; 'subject:...': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'touch': 0.69; 'received:204': 0.72; 'object:': 0.84; 'subject:thought': 0.84 Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:40:46 +0200 From: Laszlo Nagy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: I thought I understood how import worked... References: <50211dba$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87hasehvfu.fsf@benfinney.id.au> In-Reply-To: <87hasehvfu.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 65 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1344408052 news.xs4all.nl 6964 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60954 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:26751 On 2012-08-08 06:14, Ben Finney wrote: > Cameron Simpson writes: > >> All of you are saying "two names for the same module", and variations >> thereof. And that is why the doco confuses. >> >> I would expect less confusion if the above example were described as >> _two_ modules, with the same source code. > That's not true though, is it? It's the same module object with two > different references, I thought. They are not the same. Proof: $ mkdir test $ cd test $ touch __init__.py $ touch m.py $ cd .. $ python Python 2.7.3 (default, Apr 20 2012, 22:39:59) [GCC 4.6.3] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import sys >>> sys.path.append('test') >>> import m >>> from test import m >>> import m >>> from test import m as m2 >>> m is m2 False >>> m.a = 3 >>> m2.a Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'a' So it is still true that top level code gets executed only once, when the module is first imported. The trick is that a module is not a file. It is a module object that is created from a file, with a name. If you change the name, then you create ("import") a new module. You can also use the reload() function to execute module level code again, but it won't create a new module object. It will just update the contents of the very same module object: What is more interesting is how the reload() function works: Python 2.7.3 (default, Apr 20 2012, 22:39:59) [GCC 4.6.3] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import test.m >>> a = test.m >>> import os >>> test.m is a True >>> os.system("echo \"import sys\" >> test/m.py") 0 >>> reload(test.m) # Updates the module object >>> test.m is a # They are still the same True >>> a.sys # So a.sys is a exist >>>