Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder2.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.044 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.91; '*S*': 0.00; 'syntax': 0.04; 'much!': 0.05; 'upgraded': 0.07; 'dependency': 0.09; 'imho.': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; "wouldn't": 0.14; 'backward': 0.16; 'boundary,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'iterator': 0.16; 'pity': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'aspect': 0.24; 'certainly': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'switch': 0.26; 'second': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'newer': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'easier': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'commonly': 0.31; 'gcc': 0.31; 'there.': 0.32; 'stuff': 0.32; 'subject:all': 0.32; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'received:209.85.220': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'doubt': 0.36; 'largely': 0.36; 'received:209': 0.37; 'whatever': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'easy': 0.60; 'break': 0.61; 'skip:o 30': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; 'such': 0.63; 'hours': 0.66; 'here': 0.66; 'natural': 0.68; 'brain': 0.68; '4.7': 0.84; 'deserves': 0.84; 'subject:you': 0.87; 'edwards': 0.91; 'angry': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5t2ZBerfDmKq0SGXW6etgoUwvoPknT1V9CROsQVJ28I=; b=k+lx3n86RVxivuQLna92evPphdVQWKJeScNSfKHriIupJHzWNgAXXDsbR/1t57Beex thQ5uhey45VwWKJxCuRs8s2PvWo0rGfQ1gLX51AvwPPRZ481nAh39o2VDlBY1PXqWFAM vzTrbkkHpZAmxgA48EzE0Ew1/Nlq0/GF/OmIAmE0+NRauyGx7W6CxSKk3TvI7dVyAiqj ORkojpa7GSFzuJXxS1FnKmwaEUVd2zEvaaBfTkFxlVoc4ZvBPIM5893SD2dpmiHh4u5K agW58QupJYeCTi7qDmw7WW2/jERq6GIGHkWVeO+/FWCHiKcJI6p9VJChIHvaRxp2XXl2 DNuA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.37.109 with SMTP id x13mr15083791vdj.10.1365461843147; Mon, 08 Apr 2013 15:57:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <64d4fb7c-6a75-4b5f-b5c8-06a4b2b5d0cb@googlegroups.com> <906d8c05-99dc-4209-854c-7988ca7c78e3@googlegroups.com> <95b2bc1c-57a2-48c9-85ea-cf1004c9e26c@googlegroups.com> <5160cc44$0$29995$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 08:57:22 +1000 Subject: Re: I hate you all From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1365461845 news.xs4all.nl 6915 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60323 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:43097 On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Walter Hurry wrote: > On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 08:00:06 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Grant Edwards >> wrote: >>> On 2013-04-08, Walter Hurry wrote: >>>> The fact of Python enforcing it (or all tabs; a poor second choice) >>>> is *a good thing*, easy and natural IMHO. No need for "end if" or "end >>>> loop" or "fi". One wonders whether OP is simply trolling. >>> >>> If he was trolling, he certainly deserves a prize. >> >> I don't think he was trolling. It was a classic-model rant: "I upgraded >> my dependency to a newer version and all my stuff broke". >> Commonly provokes anger, largely because many such upgrades do NOT break >> stuff (eg if I were to switch from gcc 4.5 to gcc 4.7 right now, >> I doubt anything would break, and my code would be able to use the new >> iterator syntax in c++11 - pity 4.7 isn't packaged for Debian Squeeze). >> The OP upgraded across an openly-non-backward-compatible boundary, and >> got angry over one particular aspect of backward compat that wasn't >> there. > > But wouldn't it have been easier simply to do do a quick sed or whatever > rather than to spend hours here arguing? Probably. I don't profess to understand the OP's brain *that* much! ChrisA