Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'terry': 0.07; 'cant': 0.09; 'dict': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229.12': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'received:lo.gmane.org': 0.09; 'tuple': 0.09; 'tuple.': 0.09; '>>>': 0.12; 'am,': 0.14; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'examples.': 0.16; 'hashable': 0.16; 'immutable': 0.16; 'keys.': 0.16; 'methods,': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'type:': 0.16; 'unhashable': 0.16; 'traceback': 0.16; '(most': 0.16; 'jan': 0.20; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.21; 'last):': 0.23; '(or': 0.24; 'subject:?': 0.29; 'affected': 0.29; 'lists': 0.29; 'do.': 0.30; 'tuples': 0.30; 'typeerror:': 0.30; 'changes': 0.30; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.32; 'someone': 0.33; 'does': 0.33; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.33; 'list': 0.33; 'file': 0.34; 'there': 0.35; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.35; '"",': 0.35; 'skip:. 10': 0.36; 'change': 0.37; 'element': 0.37; 'case': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'should': 0.39; 'containing': 0.39; 'header:Mime-Version:1': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'note:': 0.63; '11:45': 0.84; '2],': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: what happens inside? Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:00:16 -0400 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rain.gmane.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1308783688 news.xs4all.nl 14132 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:35905 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:8248 On 6/22/2011 11:45 AM, Chetan Harjani wrote: > why tuples are immutable whereas list are mutable? Because tuples do not have mutation methods, which lists do. Tuple and lists both have .__getitem__ but tuples do not have .__setitem__ or .__delitem__ (or .append, .extend, .sort, or .reverse). > why when we do x=y where y is a list and then change a element in x, y > changes too( but the same is not the case when we change the whole value > in x ), whereas, in tuples when we change x, y is not affected and also > we cant change each individual element in tuple. Someone please clarify. For specific answers, you should give specific examples. (1,2)[0] = 3 does not work because there is no tuple.__setitem__. But note: >>> a = ([1,2], 3) >>> b = a >>> a[0][0] = 4 >>> b ([4, 2], 3) Tuples containing mutables are not immutable all the way down. They are also not hashable (if any element is not hashable) and cannot be used as dict keys. >>> hash(a) Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in hash(a) TypeError: unhashable type: 'list' -- Terry Jan Reedy