Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; '__init__': 0.09; 'immutable': 0.09; 'prevents': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'terry': 0.09; 'extensions': 0.13; '__new__': 0.16; 'instances,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'jan': 0.18; 'changes': 0.20; 'meant': 0.21; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.26; 'guess': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.28; 'class': 0.29; 'classes': 0.30; 'instances': 0.33; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.33; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'possible': 0.37; 'itself': 0.37; 'detail': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'mean': 0.38; 'instead': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'andrea': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'forgotten': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Immutability and Python Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 14:03:57 -0400 References: <1793477354.3492917.1351526431192.JavaMail.root@sequans.com> <7x625t6xaj.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-75-251-66.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1351533862 news.xs4all.nl 6966 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33340 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:32412 On 10/29/2012 1:05 PM, andrea crotti wrote: > I meant how do I create new immutables classes myself, I guess that's > possible writing C extensions but I don't see in pure Python.. If you mean class with immutable instances, mutate new instances in __new__ instead of __init__ and write a custom .__setattr__ that prevents changes thereafter. If you want the class itself to be immutable (after creation), write a custom metaclass. You may also need to think about .__getattribute__, but I never studied the detail completely and have forgotten what I learned. -- Terry Jan Reedy