Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'modified': 0.05; 'class,': 0.07; 'suppose': 0.07; 'immutable': 0.09; 'mutable': 0.09; 'def': 0.10; 'suggest': 0.11; 'to:name:python-list': 0.15; 'immutability': 0.16; 'instead:': 0.16; 'code,': 0.18; 'received:209.85.214.174': 0.21; 'example': 0.23; 'programming': 0.23; 'this:': 0.23; 'wonder': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'this?': 0.28; 'skip:_ 10': 0.29; 'class': 0.29; 'classes': 0.30; 'normally': 0.30; 'sense': 0.31; 'comments': 0.33; 'doubt': 0.33; 'impression': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'doing': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'functional': 0.36; 'quite': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'data': 0.37; 'object': 0.38; 'things': 0.38; 'instead': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:209.85.214': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'course.': 0.62; 'skip:n 10': 0.63; 'love': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'hand': 0.82; 'number):': 0.84; 'why?': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+lIx/rR6nbVeL3jLgAHvkm9f42DWx8ssprolOFYSOJQ=; b=VAt6K0eX7VhKHY5/BdCDVyiMvUr9g4JM4drm7lK/V6gvJoVKT4KKoDLrNpRysA+dcF X01K989awH6xbHXnumDbfdLUyvaeq177Eeatz5Fhndw69Sh35pdNTttdr24scSFfCa7A 4RJszLN3u1F6WrFV+spiiHWuHS4idP0TUL2w0RiQeivGZVkfQtyrg7kHKdeHzO7dlKmc EpYhIWVu+59cLfoiBEzcJsIBLrm03w53TuDeVSa9elrceswk7P3wEtgaGh5Py8mCI5pF WiDHVNt+jtM1dE7OgIabTqbmjIffXGMRx6nT00su+SFFkw+yDNYUQVSIbeGkt4h/Zodn Me7w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:20:02 +0000 Subject: Immutability and Python From: andrea crotti To: python-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1351524004 news.xs4all.nl 6854 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53288 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:32383 I have a philosofical doubt about immutability, that arised while doing the SCALA functional programming course. Now suppose I have a simple NumWrapper class, that very stupidly does: class NumWrapper(object): def __init__(self, number): self.number = number and we want to change its state incrementing the number, normally I would do this def increment(self): self.number += 1 But the immutability purists would instead suggest to do this: def increment(self): return NumWrapper(self.number + 1) Now on one hand I would love to use only immutable data in my code, but on the other hand I wonder if it makes so much sense in Python. My impression is that things get more clumsy in the immutable form, for example in the mutable form I would do simply this: number = NumWrapper(1) number.increment() while with immutability I have to do this instead: new_number = number.increment() But more importantly normally classes are way more complicated than my stupid example, so recreating a new object with the modified state might be quite complex. Any comments about this? What do you prefer and why?