Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.011 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'syntax': 0.04; 'compiler': 0.07; 'permitted': 0.07; 'prevents': 0.09; 'subtle': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; '-tkc': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.list': 0.16; 'from:addr:tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'from:name:tim chase': 0.16; 'janssen': 0.16; 'keyword.': 0.16; 'sees': 0.16; 'syntaxerror:': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'variable': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'print': 0.22; 'cc:2**1': 0.23; "shouldn't": 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'function': 0.29; 'generally': 0.29; '"",': 0.31; 'allows': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'style': 0.33; 'actual': 0.34; 'advice': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'keyword': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'bad': 0.39; 'called': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'name': 0.63; 'choose': 0.64; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'between': 0.67; 'invalid': 0.68; 'further,': 0.74; 'avoids': 0.84; 'received:50.22': 0.84; 'subject:Don': 0.91; 'whereas': 0.91 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:46:40 -0500 From: Tim Chase To: Mark Janssen Subject: Re: "Don't rebind built-in names*" - it confuses readers In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - boston.accountservergroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tim.thechases.com Cc: python-list@python.org, Terry Jan Reedy X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1370911490 news.xs4all.nl 15868 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40348 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:47624 On 2013-06-10 17:20, Mark Janssen wrote: > >> list = [] > >> Reading further, one sees that the function works with two > >> lists, a list of file names, unfortunately called 'list', > > > > That is very good advice in general: never choose a variable name > > that is a keyword. > > Btw, shouldn't it be illegal anyway? Most compilers don't let you > do use a keyword as a variable name.... There's a subtle difference between a keyword and a built-in. Good Python style generally avoids masking built-ins but allows it: >>> "file" in dir(__builtins__) True >>> file = "hello" # bad style, but permitted >>> print file hello Whereas the compiler prevents you from tromping on actual keywords: >>> for = 4 File "", line 1 for = 4 ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax -tkc