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Jürgen A. Erhard, 05.08.2012 14:28:
> On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 07:46:59AM +0200, Stefan Behnel wrote:
>> Jürgen A. Erhard, 05.08.2012 01:25:
>>> None of the other implementations require Python for actually
>>> compiling or running Python source.
>>
>> Nuitka was on the list as well.
> 
> True, which I realized only after my missive.  But doesn't change
> much, only that the list is wrong.

Agreed.


> My definition, to also answer your following post, is "does not rely
> on any executable part of the CPython source (which includes .c files
> and executable code in header files if any, but of course can exclude
> the stdlib)".  Not sure that's precise enough, but... if it can't
> run/work on a system that has no shred of CPython installed, it's not
> an alternative *implementation*.

I can live with that definition. Cython is (by design) not an independent
reimplementation of Python.

Stefan