Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Ian Kelly Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Curious Omission In New-Style Formats Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 08:30:05 -0600 Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <834b1cce-38dd-474c-8915-4ff1cd6b27ec@googlegroups.com> <7fcc8c21-106f-41d4-a5ba-409f3b54a56d@googlegroups.com> <5783c91e$0$1622$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <57846636$0$1621$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <06f2dedb-ce7a-4ca8-9fe8-8dba36f3d3ba@googlegroups.com> <76762c79-a85d-48f1-8132-5decd10ce4f1@googlegroups.com> <57874385$0$1501$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de IqWt95P91o88WUkPRhtxYgpTPYE9nKl+equx+X6w/MBg== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.108 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.78; '*S*': 0.00; 'integers': 0.09; 'properly': 0.15; '2016': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'say,': 0.18; 'either.': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'wondering': 0.25; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; '14,': 0.27; 'sequence': 0.27; 'specifically': 0.28; "i'm": 0.30; 'point': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'say': 0.37; 'subject:-': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'called': 0.40; 'term': 0.60; 'your': 0.60; 'side': 0.62; 'more': 0.63; 'necessarily': 0.63; 'believe': 0.66; 'thursday': 0.66; 'jul': 0.72; 'to:name:python': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=5mWsdgTn/XNYHxXXIxFgi79IZUI2LaC8BI7j/3BR1eY=; b=I664F1ZWnisqURorRAsflQj62velyUUQ0IS2ND7DnjhU9S4w4e93iVZozcwoiO838r Vc93KdxV5rGNRoExehm9jLu/2u3Qdl6QGI2VXm5+G144lUzOBLZlZewnmiWYSsLLnE3K fo+TxssoIISlMCJwUt7fgOMCtE2W29wvvU4V3xTMUIEN/EvMKuckhYZ8ecn0ABp8HUFI uz1Rd/cWDZsBqykSYmXcUnTHn87iTaFH3TJ+oB6laJAdGMlLkYw6HnFwPl02Xs7LlZ01 yh1elFi2FVqKFd4kxvQVGILYkXWo9ZXAI89V6HDvK0D8GGLaOng1Ht9rqMol1AUR2H22 Ng4Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=5mWsdgTn/XNYHxXXIxFgi79IZUI2LaC8BI7j/3BR1eY=; b=kOhn/xDpNqsV35OoRdoeXgJkoOt3pu+iVnpb+ZcMePSVAKPmGb5WXN0QFqSpuPN01O sbt5urgoPV5v0W4krBPpikB2hPesdGJAHqv4sfCyaaOwXStSkozUoB/Rj7aq6D2dhAzc QSAc5+AZAZbyueuc4vZWSm79TW151kNjujHUxQ8qaRVyI+WQVdPqqOBVnRxRhHE8HfUu Y2WSu+WyOxSH2cjLYRgOinJ/ZNqBzUUNm9Qcyl+O1QmYZud2DzgzAQ2DU1WBjSj8sUVp 7BeffRVuMM13J/YbfpFqHgrQdDkbt0zQRI+NCYyrLJdyhLPKdgYf4i4Z4dqulituZGVG 9Tow== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIw23FJr5MH1dywpa/CXDeFInRPlDDs3LCdPk3OpqzV+WatOSM9V/Yue03OSdWcp3ZXqrxT6MK7y93GzA== X-Received: by 10.157.54.143 with SMTP id h15mr9424407otc.152.1468506644800; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 07:30:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <57874385$0$1501$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: X-Mailman-Original-References: <834b1cce-38dd-474c-8915-4ff1cd6b27ec@googlegroups.com> <7fcc8c21-106f-41d4-a5ba-409f3b54a56d@googlegroups.com> <5783c91e$0$1622$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <57846636$0$1621$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <06f2dedb-ce7a-4ca8-9fe8-8dba36f3d3ba@googlegroups.com> <76762c79-a85d-48f1-8132-5decd10ce4f1@googlegroups.com> <57874385$0$1501$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:111440 On Jul 14, 2016 1:52 AM, "Steven D'Aprano" wrote: > > On Thursday 14 July 2016 15:18, Ian Kelly wrote: > > > Side note, neither do floating point numbers, really; what is often > > called the mantissa is more properly known as the significand. But > > integers don't have that either. > > > Er, then what's a mantissa if it's not what people call a float's mantissa? > > What makes you say it is "more properly" known as the significand? > > I'm not necessarily disputing what you say, I'm wondering what is your > justification for it. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Significand.html http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Mantissa.html The significand of -3.14159 is the sequence of digits 314159. The mantissa of -3.14159 is the number 0.85841. I don't have a copy of the IEEE-754 standard, but I believe that it also uses the term "significand" and specifically avoids the term "mantissa".