Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'scripts': 0.03; '(at': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'context': 0.07; 'subject: -- ': 0.07; 'assuming': 0.09; 'feature,': 0.09; "system's": 0.09; 'undefined': 0.09; 'api': 0.11; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'gui': 0.12; '"move': 0.16; 'deletion': 0.16; 'dumps': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'low.': 0.16; 'subject:Move': 0.16; 'tool.': 0.16; 'varies': 0.16; 'files.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'file,': 0.19; "hasn't": 0.19; 'written': 0.21; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; '15,': 0.26; 'changes,': 0.26; 'define': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'function': 0.29; 'specifically': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'generally': 0.29; 'said,': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'usually': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'way?': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'fri,': 0.33; "i'd": 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'disk': 0.36; 'much.': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'server': 0.38; 'manager': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'bad': 0.39; 'though,': 0.39; 'delete': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'space': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'future': 0.60; "you're": 0.61; 'times': 0.62; 'show': 0.63; 'costs': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'talking': 0.65; 'useful.': 0.68; 'felt': 0.74; '2015': 0.84; 'survey,': 0.84; 'edwards': 0.91; 'subject:Survey': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=coxQ8oJcTHws9yVYSMETpj8L4u1KZ8T228XvshSKEek=; b=nT4K9nCjRt9mPC3+T9pufKPDSqvwjK9PWRqD56zs5itXBBufLmYJwvblkw4/17+B9Q MhYPe7Mt62wEV6ANszC6d4b5h58SVeIxk1cGM6GUYn/69qZoHaYo8ZG3dzjj+M0GEGba ukw6Uus7AplaFZNQDwLLQj5wZ2DefLReCc1++qgKq6KGIePML1lUsvN+FAtu4X9T+x3s Dd92G9f7sWafmlvovTU7B689fX1G18fBtyh+CQ51lKlVzpwFAcLHMuLxzLwbmc9YelX+ ukIyOZLUJRS4/rI57G5gQUAdw42HDAiECGYA1lhxP1fsM/MoDQWph1UE+9LwjYGZlByr UEwQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.176.137 with SMTP id ci9mr6822906igc.2.1431619140834; Thu, 14 May 2015 08:59:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5554c318$0$12999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 01:59:00 +1000 Subject: Re: Survey -- Move To Trash function in Python? From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1431619149 news.xs4all.nl 2833 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59647 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:90609 On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:49 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2015-05-14, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> I'd like to do a little survey, and get a quick show of hands. >> >> How many people have written GUI or text-based applications or >> scripts where a "Move file to trash" function would be useful? > > How would you even define what "move to trash" means in a standard > way? > > Even withing the limited context of something like a mail client, it's > meaning varies depending on mail store format or which IMAP server > you're talking to. > > Or are you assuming the only thing that can be "moved to trash" is a > file? AIUI this is specifically about files. I have never used such a feature, and generally found them to be more annoying than useful. The times when I want to mark a file for deletion either now or at some undefined time in the future (at the file system's discretion) are approximately zero; either I want the file, or I can delete it immediately. Given that actually-removed files can usually be undeleted if their disk space hasn't been reclaimed, I don't think trash cans really help much. Plus, I think it's a UI insanity when a console program dumps something in the trash, which to me has always felt like a GUI file manager tool. That said, though, I think a standardized API for trashing files is not a bad thing; and it's not something that will need huge API changes, so the costs of feature-freeze would be low. ChrisA