Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: UNSURE 0.269 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.48; '*S*': 0.02; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'see.': 0.07; 'americans': 0.16; 'from:addr:torriem': 0.16; 'from:name:michael torrie': 0.16; 'guess.': 0.16; 'smile': 0.16; 'words.': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'trying': 0.19; 'patrick': 0.19; 'example': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'certainly': 0.24; 'people,': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'speakers': 0.26; 'certain': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'am,': 0.29; 'that.': 0.31; 'usually': 0.31; 'raised': 0.31; 'common': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'christopher': 0.36; 'fun,': 0.36; 'similar': 0.36; 'message- id:@gmail.com': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'previous': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'though,': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'radio': 0.60; 'then,': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'course': 0.61; 'hear': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'him,': 0.64; 'school': 0.64; 'great': 0.65; 'north': 0.65; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'american': 0.66; 'between': 0.67; 'hints': 0.68; 'listening': 0.74; 'country)': 0.84; 'hollywood': 0.84; 'politicians': 0.84; 'seriously,': 0.84; 'southern': 0.84; 'stewart': 0.84; 'subject:Practices': 0.84; 'canada,': 0.91; 'differences': 0.93; 'taught': 0.96 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at torriefamily.org Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 10:42:36 -0700 From: Michael Torrie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Python Worst Practices References: <87ioem8ftg.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <54f2c9c6$0$12991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <8761ak7kxm.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87wq3064es.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> In-Reply-To: <87wq3064es.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 19:31:08 +0100 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1425234669 news.xs4all.nl 2942 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46735 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86669 On 03/01/2015 09:58 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Well, every nonnative strives for the standard Hollywoodese and does a > decent job at that. But when I hear a Brit speak their native tongue, I > just "smile and wave, smile and wave" because I usually have little idea > what they are trying to explain. Ahh, I see. Your reaction, then, is similar to what most international English speakers do when they hear American politicians trying to speak in folksy southern accents. Seriously, though, it's interesting to note that in the previous generations of Americans and Canadians, many people, including a Hollywood actors, were taught elocution in schools, and a pseudo-posh English (as in the country) sort of accent. Completely fake of course much like the Queen's accent. My grandparents, for example had hints of such an accent, particularly in certain words. Christopher Plummer is a great example of this half-posh accent. Born and raised in Canada, he certainly sounds nothing like common broad north American, and certainly not common Canadian. Just listening to recordings of radio personalities and politicians from before 1950, and it's really interesting to hear the differences between modern speaking, both in accents and intonations. Language changes. If you want a bit of fun, listen to Patrick Stewart reciting a poem in his native northern accent. In school they drilled it out of him, I guess.