Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'syntax': 0.03; 'elements.': 0.05; 'python': 0.09; 'received:mail- vb0-f46.google.com': 0.09; 'subject:()': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.10; 'def': 0.10; 'language': 0.14; 'do,': 0.15; "'b',": 0.16; '10:00': 0.16; 'integers.': 0.16; 'merely': 0.16; 'oct': 0.16; 'sliced': 0.16; 'subject:array': 0.16; 'xrange': 0.16; 'mon,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; '>>>': 0.18; 'received:209.85.212.46': 0.18; 'interpret': 0.22; 'of.': 0.22; 'produces': 0.22; 'cheers,': 0.23; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'thus': 0.24; 'pass': 0.25; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'values': 0.26; 'am,': 0.27; 'andrew': 0.27; 'start,': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'received:209.85.212': 0.28; 'actual': 0.28; 'chris': 0.28; 'contrast,': 0.29; 'implied': 0.29; 'thus,': 0.29; 'case,': 0.29; 'skip:_ 10': 0.29; 'class': 0.29; 'could': 0.32; 'know.': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'list': 0.35; 'so,': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'created': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'alone': 0.36; 'unable': 0.36; 'itself': 0.37; 'october': 0.37; 'does': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'why': 0.37; 'passed': 0.37; 'rather': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'far': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'speak': 0.38; 'nothing': 0.38; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'stand': 0.61; 'free': 0.61; 'relatively': 0.62; 'more': 0.63; 'flexible,': 0.84; 'sender:addr:chris': 0.84; 'stop,': 0.84; 'involved.': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rebertia.com; s=google; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9lO14DUu0I+rRGmuvePQ5diCTv/7Lli8HNHnKJX9xJU=; b=MEuKaXCD0P3d7Bl7HVibo9sAlLSiR2/yIMMxniCfRWTJ87LvB5Np/7R+7H+VXeSdoM ns5R+eSk6IU/KNJ6uvBrXxE07QgPY8y72nS1dpVszY0Ssu+7d8GC3LoWtCdoVCNj/5ax /GaGWs0TD9CjO+RiS01PhQqoD/gxaRV6Xv5Wg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=9lO14DUu0I+rRGmuvePQ5diCTv/7Lli8HNHnKJX9xJU=; b=m5WaIpqQezXtc6bW8y5cNSiFifk78JN1fjuuvqbH1Ms+E24t/P8rzxQKdGXsz5TThQ JrgCqiYJN+r+T9ybOzAulC+kwE2m+HL0czwbQ61fOD72+MkNOMixUltZI6eOowlnQS2A h4SDijdoEbg3VCn1LZ4cLWz8KBv0bgS7DN24vqx9xasGf2GQUq5rEFv9rwD0D30zUMYV EBqBUIJZCHJB4qbijBqyb7EVWBd5w64BExiHZfnTqX79aE3N9JMDR8CgLb0efKDScsW5 i+nn9TqImDC/dKxsuK5J7JksdvX/CocqwEbpAwJnpXaFUNfqbrYsAEtWqdyYpm3/MuiI o1gw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: chris@rebertia.com In-Reply-To: References: <6998a955-7b34-4f4f-b8d6-62d1028f7561@googlegroups.com> <4c024364-84df-403b-8b9e-4a4c8f06121c@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 01:18:32 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3RcMnfzKtzlGlbJ645n1V90hsXg Subject: Re: Negative array indicies and slice() From: Chris Rebert To: Andrew Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm5vGgBHPCOyuAeT8jyKZq0oIyqe5WY+4vxQURWRbCfPQZUZFBTgAxyr+CQTWA/d3bQDpZT Cc: Python X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1351498716 news.xs4all.nl 6959 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59846 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:32348 On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Andrew wrote: > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 9:26:01 PM UTC-7, Ian wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Andrew wrote: > The slice class when passed to __getitem__() was created to merely pass = two numbers and a stride to __getitem__; As far as I know slice() itself d= oes *nothing* in the actual processing of the elements. So, it's *redundan= t* functionality, and far worse, it's restrictive. > > The philosophy of Python is to have exactly one way to do something when = possible; so, why create a stand alone class that does nothing an existing = class could already do, and do it better ? > > A simple list of three values would be just as efficient as slice()! > xrange is more flexible, and can be just as efficient. > > So, Have I misunderstood the operation of slice()? I think I might have.= .. but I don't know. `slice` is intentionally lenient about the types of the start, stop, and st= ep: >>> class Foo: ... def __getitem__(self, slice_): ... print(slice_) ... return 42 ... >>> Foo()["a":"b":"c"] slice('a', 'b', 'c') 42 >>> Thus, the thing being sliced is free to interpret the parts of the slice however it wishes; hence, slice() is unable to contain the "processing" you speak of. By contrast, xrange() limits itself to integers. To support the more general case, the slice syntax thus produces a `slice` rather than an `xrange`. Doubtlessly, there are also historical issues involved. As implied by the ugliness of its name, `xrange` was added to the language relatively later. Cheers, Chris