Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.112 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.79; '*S*': 0.01; 'say,': 0.05; 'plenty': 0.07; 'subject:code': 0.07; 'if,': 0.09; 'permission,': 0.09; 'subject:using': 0.09; 'tune': 0.09; 'both,': 0.16; 'entirely.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'janssen': 0.16; 'tighter': 0.16; 'two,': 0.16; 'weird': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'compare': 0.26; 'references': 0.26; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'michael': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'room': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'music.': 0.31; 'everyone': 0.33; '"the': 0.34; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'knows': 0.35; 'received:209.85.220': 0.35; 'case,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'possible': 0.36; 'similar': 0.36; 'received:209': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'sometimes': 0.38; 'star': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'recent': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'firm': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'name': 0.63; 'story': 0.63; 'decided': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'direct': 0.67; 'music': 0.75; 'fight,': 0.84; 'indirect': 0.84; 'jackson': 0.84; 'lady': 0.84; 'musical': 0.84; 'pirates': 0.84; 'safe.': 0.84; 'song': 0.84; 'wars': 0.84; 'songs': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=M7rGwaAn+rO3c+3OmEGRKBQtmyuE7xNV6l/fbme/SrU=; b=0S8iINGmByVPBluND9m9nC15bZolm4J1En6j5DsjtxKCoVwr7zLhcvVZK1EY5mCco8 yifRVmrcRGev35r52H72hUFPdWSLcw+mmHjl/a5ZkSC2Ze4BFOV4jlKPKjCGPTv04Zv3 omEgLejkNYpMqWT0qcIffi6vpdQdTk/LcLpgdnAya4s+V8bZDUsdWNSvmoWE4X5+L5DM SAbtFLy5+7UcWTqKPM//X4GMKPmpngp3WYBUJRQ4ITNwZ8U8ij0WG1CQ2P2jschwkpVV ndqHWBMCsMxocLwGNyPZnwnWR07ARD+ag3rhU4UaGNJsmdQ2WYG+LByEc7McFFNgeCm0 omfg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.155.67 with SMTP id vu3mr5646681vdb.94.1370894951077; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:09:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <51B450C1.5030506@berlin.de> <51B4DCA2.9000903@gmail.com> <4704188c-ae1c-44f2-87b1-e1001f52ef4d@googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 06:09:10 +1000 Subject: Re: Re-using copyrighted code From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1370894958 news.xs4all.nl 15929 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51327 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:47598 On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 5:40 AM, Mark Janssen w= rote: >> Weird Al can be a complex case, because sometimes his songs are true par= odies, and sometimes they're more satires. Parody has a pretty firm histor= y of being protected under fair use, and Weird Al's MJ-inspired songs ("Fat= " and "Eat It") are clearly parodies. (As is his more recent Lady Gaga sen= dup "Perform This Way", while his Star wars saga "The Story Begins" and Coo= lio-esque "Amish Paradise" are more like satires). >> >> So in the case of Weird Al's Michael Jackson parodies, he would be prote= cted under law if MJ had decided to sue. > > Not entirely. The use of the musical tune is not a parody, only the > lyrics. But if, like you say, he did get permission, then he is safe. Citing once again Gilbert and Sullivan, it's definitely possible for a tune to be a parody. Compare "Poor Wand'ring One" from G&S's Pirates of Penzance with "Sempre Libera" from Verdi's La Traviata - the former is most definitely a parody of the latter. (And the song name is reminiscent of the opera name, too.) There are other parodies in Gilbert and Sullivan, of both lyrical and musical forms; sometimes both, like when a set of warriors take off their armor before a fight, set to music similar to that used in Handel's works for warriors *putting on* armor. There's plenty of room to make direct or indirect references in music. Sometimes all it takes is a bar or two, and everyone knows what you're parodying. That's even tighter than words! ChrisA