Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'nicely': 0.07; 'derived': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'aug': 0.13; 'language': 0.14; 'c++.': 0.16; 'describing': 0.16; 'flavors': 0.16; 'lend': 0.16; 'merger': 0.16; 'message-id:@dough.gmane.org': 0.16; 'neutral': 0.16; 'preprocessor': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'situation.': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:object': 0.16; 'subject:oriented': 0.16; 'subject:programming': 0.16; 'martin': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'certainly': 0.17; 'widely': 0.17; '>>>': 0.18; 'supposed': 0.21; "i'd": 0.22; 'programming': 0.23; 'idea': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'common': 0.26; 'separate': 0.27; 'c++': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.28; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'oop': 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'objects': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'classes': 0.30; 'basic': 0.30; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.32; 'proposals': 0.33; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.33; 'likely': 0.33; 'version': 0.34; "can't": 0.34; 'received:org': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'subject:with': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'rather': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'mark': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'first': 0.61; 'kind': 0.61; 'different': 0.63; 'love': 0.63; 'covers': 0.65; 'useful.': 0.65; 'analysis': 0.70; 'smith': 0.71; 'article': 0.78; 'subject:good': 0.84; 'textbook': 0.84; 'dennis': 0.91; 'graphical': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Looking for a good introduction to object oriented programming with Python Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 00:30:13 +0100 References: <54b916fe-9e2d-4f9e-b533-b5ecf677c8a5@a19g2000vba.googlegroups.com> <8f1b60a5-0411-4aae-9ee6-0025b493ca2d@m13g2000vbd.googlegroups.com> <501ef904$0$29867$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-30-1.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120805-0, 05/08/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1344209358 news.xs4all.nl 6857 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:43883 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:26583 On 06/08/2012 00:12, Roy Smith wrote: > In article <501ef904$0$29867$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>, > Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 18:45:47 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: >> >>> Don't look for Object-Oriented Programming -- since the first widely >>> popular OOP language was C++ (Smalltalk was earlier, but rather >>> specialized, whereas C++ started as a preprocessor for C). >>> >>> Rather look for Object-Oriented Analysis and Design (OOAD). An OOAD >>> textbook /should/ be language neutral and, these days, likely using the >>> constructs/notation of UML [which derived from a merger of two or three >>> separate proposals for OOAD tools] >> >> Good lord. I'd rather read C++ than UML. And I can't read C++. > > UML is under-rated. I certainly don't have any love of the 47 different > flavors of diagram, but the basic idea of having a common graphical > language for describing how objects and classes interact is pretty > useful. Just don't ask me to remember which kind of arrowhead I'm > supposed to use in which situation. > Ask nicely and I'll lend you my copy of Martin Fowler's UML Distilled which covers "version 1.2 OMG UML standard". What's it up to now, version 17.38? -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence.