Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.186 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.68; '*S*': 0.05; 'argument': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'method.': 0.05; 'received:mail- vc0-f174.google.com': 0.09; 'language,': 0.11; 'argument.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'thu,': 0.17; 'thanks,': 0.18; 'explicit': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'received:209.85.220.174': 0.29; 'johnson': 0.32; 'could': 0.32; 'problem': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'self': 0.34; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:209.85.220': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'hours.': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'you.': 0.61; "you've": 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'within': 0.64; 'become': 0.65; 'due': 0.66; 'insight': 0.71; 'lack': 0.71; 'money': 0.74; 'absolutely': 0.84; '2013': 0.84; 'bottle': 0.84; 'remit': 0.84; 'subject:you': 0.88; 'rick': 0.91; 'hundred': 0.95; 'dollars': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7LUJxitzm+mhThcBm2OqR/R2K9qKMO30ObfccHU+CvU=; b=vei1pLYayK48+dvB9E/pYC3cLpmmU/sGw2MWiqRjPDfL90TSuCrr1phEg0lWlcdARQ M7Ypo88KGa0DDD5RLNiaBhk1iL2FwpbdTYHgeHqkzRYqIgaKKHTm+B/PMFgkkbEDyeiW yfoXgpxsdazexfEoB8DoSIYcGZphUPyIFb1tLIpCKbFzMeW3vixrzR8Cljgso9OhLzKn w8DwiV+guD++7KhgfmKwUaHFCTXM/pnjG50rQ38mn3DeiyYbQICmJsAmDc8ZPOJ7cqDL MOxzWdx9tuMD5HPccR8Xkyywg5FdsBSMjMvsEeNS/3g2hCn61ZlE6SRM30/uZvf+dn0K wYwg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.67.164 with SMTP id o4mr10627602vdt.42.1362622613783; Wed, 06 Mar 2013 18:16:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <512cb0a0$0$30001$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <57fd0b09-b30d-4e62-845a-aac198113a40@googlegroups.com> <54967758-e84c-4b9c-a09c-10fbdbec230f@googlegroups.com> <63b306c9-db6f-4c4c-b3c6-4c602ba31201@kt16g2000pbb.googlegroups.com> <20130306114842.c0da03f1ba6a3c99d429f3a8@lavabit.com> <2d3eea1e-db12-4448-80b3-2743866a2d42@googlegroups.com> <857d97ed-7c86-43c9-9751-9728652ac122@hd10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 13:16:53 +1100 Subject: Re: Do you feel bad because of the Python docs? From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1362624464 news.xs4all.nl 6878 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34310 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:40691 On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: > We need to know where the bottle necks are when learning the language, an= d since we are experienced, we lack the noob insight to even see the proble= ms. I'll bet $100 you hated writing self as the first argument to each meth= od. But now you've become so accustomed that you could so it in your sleep. Gambling debts are due within twenty-four hours. Please remit that hundred dollars immediately; I had absolutely no problem with the explicit 'self' argument. Thanks, it's about time I earned some money arguing with you. ChrisA