Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'that?': 0.05; 'attribute': 0.07; '[1,': 0.09; 'attributes': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:question': 0.10; 'def': 0.12; 'class:': 0.16; 'mutable': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:dip0.t-ipconnect.de': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:t-ipconnect.de': 0.16; 'subject:class': 0.16; "why's": 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'especially': 0.30; '"",': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'class': 0.32; 'run': 0.32; '(most': 0.33; 'skip:_ 10': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'subject:regarding': 0.36; 'operating': 0.37; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'track': 0.38; 'recent': 0.39; 'expect': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; '20,': 0.68; 'otten': 0.84; 'trouble.': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> Subject: Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 16:28:30 +0200 Organization: None References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508489f5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: KNode/4.7.3 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1370874511 news.xs4all.nl 15882 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58455 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:47565 Rui Maciel wrote: > Peter Otten wrote: > >> Don't add >> >>>position = [] >> >> to your code. That's not a declaration, but a class attribute and in the >> long run it will cause nothing but trouble. > > Why's that? Especially with mutable attributes it's hard to keep track whether you are operating on the instance or the class: >>> class Point: ... position = [] ... def __init__(self, x, y, z): ... self.position = [x, y, z] ... >>> a = Point(1, 2, 3) >>> b = Point(10, 20, 30) >>> a.position [1, 2, 3] >>> del a.position >>> a.position [] # did you expect that? >>> del b.position >>> b.position.extend(["did you expect that?"]) >>> a.position ['did you expect that?'] >>> del a.position Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in AttributeError: position