Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!tudelft.nl!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!multikabel.net!newsfeed20.multikabel.net!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'languages,': 0.03; 'distinct': 0.05; '__name__': 0.09; 'bug?': 0.09; 'constants.': 0.09; 'files:': 0.09; 'top-level': 0.09; 'utf-8': 0.09; 'am,': 0.12; 'def': 0.13; 'circular': 0.15; "'__main__':": 0.16; '-*-': 0.16; 'coding:': 0.16; 'obvious.': 0.16; 'received:192.168.1.104': 0.16; 'subject:import': 0.16; 'subject:really': 0.16; 'subtle.': 0.16; 'uppercase': 0.16; 'wanted.': 0.16; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.16; 'language': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'file,': 0.19; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.20; 'request,': 0.21; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'appear': 0.23; 'module,': 0.23; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'there.': 0.24; 'code': 0.25; 'module': 0.26; 'import': 0.27; 'script': 0.28; 'convention': 0.29; 'explicitly': 0.29; 'script.': 0.29; 'problem': 0.29; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.29; 'generally': 0.30; 'imported': 0.30; 'resources.': 0.30; 'source': 0.31; 'does': 0.32; 'values': 0.32; 'hi,': 0.32; 'earlier': 0.32; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.33; 'there': 0.33; 'modules': 0.35; 'supposed': 0.35; 'similar': 0.36; 'problem.': 0.36; 'david': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'received:192': 0.37; 'another': 0.37; 'problems': 0.37; 'doing': 0.38; 'using': 0.38; 'same.': 0.39; 'should': 0.39; 'why': 0.39; "it's": 0.40; 'move': 0.40; 'received:192.168': 0.40; 'more': 0.61; 'your': 0.61; 'further,': 0.67; 'discover': 0.68; 'header :Reply-To:1': 0.71; 'reply-to:no real name:2**0': 0.72; 'lucky': 0.74; "'main'": 0.84 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:16:26 -0500 From: Dave Angel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110922 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Lu Subject: Re: a qustion about import that really confuses me References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:yTWjHV+6QRHcthR8pWtwOTA7zsJdzkDneCRprFCpnzT lDUDxvt9jjIM75nOsWMnmvRc+lkdG7CisZ3bLykmf3Fn/+Lu6M 9mv8jMb5opQOhTET0FzzhxLWZ5zTzj3bC5wlPalrI1io+VFc2H PZ40jVHnHqmCdviZirklM9QqbFAQo3VByPYrLfzpB+NQ6kh/Sd CT7prbIvN3Ds5rd74+3tOSGQN+53Tw+oHtzg8wc/Jj9RUM58qn zYCoQVjUSASChgStEYBC3U02WctpzsSLq4LRQvyzTIe3H9nYGd t93aPgZUyJGQlstU9BjPOMN178V7SqhFYcO4Hqr2aGMNygn6g= = Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: d@davea.name List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 71 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1321967821 news.xs4all.nl 6854 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:50325 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:16071 On 11/22/2011 05:18 AM, David Lu wrote: > Hi, there. > > I have two files: > > a.py: > >> # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- >> print('in a') >> import b >> >> print('var') >> VAR = 1 >> >> def p(): >> print('{}, {}'.format(VAR, id(VAR))) >> >> if __name__ == '__main__': >> VAR = -1 >> p() >> b.p() # Where does this VAR come from? >> > b.py: > >> # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- >> print('in b') >> import a >> Right there is your problem. You try to import a module that you've earlier used as the top-level script. The top-level script gets a module name of "__main__" and this import is defining a module of "a". So you have two distinct modules from the same source file, as you've discovered. >> def p(): >> a.p() >> > I don't understand why there're two different VARs, which is supposed to > the same. > Is it a bug? > If I move the 'main' block to another file, everything works well. > > c.py: > >> # coding=UTF-8 >> import a >> import b >> >> if __name__ == '__main__': >> a.VAR = -1 >> a.p() >> b.p() >> More generally, you should avoid circular imports. Other problems can occur, this is just the most blatant. When you discover that two modules are using (importing) each other's resources. you should move as much code as necessary from one of them to a 3rd module, and both should import that one. Similar problems appear in other languages, and the cure is generally the same. Avoid circular dependencies. Incidentally, using all uppercase for a name is a convention for constants. Further, you explicitly request that VAR have different values when it's the top-level script than when it's an imported module, so the language is doing exactly what you request, even if not what you wanted. You're lucky that the problem was so obvious. Many mutual import problems are much more subtle. -- DaveA