Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.033 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'referring': 0.07; 'subject:code': 0.07; 'authorize': 0.09; 'noted,': 0.09; 'portions': 0.09; 'subject:using': 0.09; "they've": 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; '(something': 0.16; '*should*': 0.16; 'attaching': 0.16; 'cc:name:python list': 0.16; 'license.': 0.16; 'opposite': 0.16; 'people),': 0.16; 'protecting': 0.16; 'pushed': 0.16; 'file,': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; 'separate': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'case.': 0.24; 'certainly': 0.24; 'package.': 0.24; 'regardless': 0.24; 'file.': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'least': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; '(c)': 0.29; 'related': 0.29; 'court': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'lines': 0.31; 'enforce': 0.31; 'purely': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'open': 0.33; '(most': 0.33; 'not.': 0.33; 'comment': 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'german': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'depends': 0.38; 'ends': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'use.': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'free': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'show': 0.63; 'protection': 0.63; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'our': 0.64; 'pick': 0.64; 'granted': 0.65; 'license': 0.66; 'due': 0.66; 'caused': 0.69; 'legal': 0.71; 'commercial': 0.71; 'us,': 0.73; 'secret': 0.74; 'ab.': 0.84; 'domain,': 0.84; 'package?': 0.84; 'relate': 0.84; 'thing,': 0.91; 'washington': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=gj95k0kl8iTEkOPWk5FKwfWXJA1VqMCLQzOi43wNZL8=; b=eo+k15aaIXH68A2yuiSNRmgq/HnEl9ZtQpa7MMQUJLNsBfq0HHv9kpKM8RjruPYbSy WCgxVRaOhYquKVDUPybHREltP1CXkLUYzM0gD2Gof6CvpCCJUzj6t84WnjfTIrMONDGV roZ+j4uddD0uHgdfdjnEEF/Sb9wliQobXH2uAnO0BSefgbzCLFDodSn/b9mLStVy2/op vJInKOJ6ZpZM3L3nReatDlGw3bi0d3TSHRdgS3DuAjrsTMvFAYSM4EN8k9DXHTgUpPwn VSi6gkh+WEtYtz71HJ/FSpnaLVwXqEW6ZqKnH9cGnTRaW5SZlM4ez0RnwPWzScDf1s4s O9Pw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.198.110 with SMTP id jb14mr2947871wic.37.1370798321285; Sun, 09 Jun 2013 10:18:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51B450C1.5030506@berlin.de> References: <51B450C1.5030506@berlin.de> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 10:18:41 -0700 Subject: Re: Re-using copyrighted code From: Mark Janssen To: Malte Forkel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Python List X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1370798330 news.xs4all.nl 15941 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40745 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:47474 > At least partially, my confusion seems to be caused by the dichotomy of > the concepts of copyright and license. How do these relate to each other? A license emerges out of the commercial domain is purely about commercial protections. A copyright comes from the "academic" domain is pure about protecting your "intellectual property", or non-physical creations (most from encroachment of the commercial domain, by the way). They are on opposite ends of the spectrum, but because of our bi-polar system the terms get used as synonyms . In a way they are not related and it all depends on what court would listen to the case. In a German court, you would almost certainly be tried under the commercial framework, In the US, in theory (and this is where it must be pushed to enforce the people), it *should* be the opposite if the court is doing its job of upholding the Constitution. You use a license when you want to authorize use of something you own in a commercial setting. You use copyright when you're protecting authorship of something and have not given it away (something you never really want to do anyway). > I understand that I have to pick a license for my package. You actually do not. Attaching a legal document is purely a secondary protection from those who would take away right already granted by US copyright. > And may be > I'm not free to pick any open source license due the license used by > Secret Labs AB. But how does that relate to the copyright statements? The thing, like I noted, is that they've already released the code into the public eye. Now you must only do your due diligence to honor the *spirit* of their intent. And that spirit, regardless of whether they made it explicit, is almost certainly for non-commercial (non-profit) use. > Should I put my own copyright line in every source file in the package? I would put it as a separate file in the package as well as a comment line in each file referring to your file. > How about the file that re-uses portions of sre_parse.py? Can there or > should there be two copyright lines in that file, one from Secret Labs, > one my own? Show (c) YourName, Secret Labs and carry-forward any additional usage terms from them. -- MarkJ Tacoma, Washington