Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Ben Finney Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: [Off-topic] Requests author discusses MentalHealthError exception Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 04:33:50 +1100 Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <56d16e6a$0$1593$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de aP63uKhFrSblHFI+L4hBKwKA6hV8sckcBk2a3e9pxNrw== Cancel-Lock: sha1:rf1g7CilKN/es7+efIipLD8EXcE= Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.028 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'before.': 0.09; "person's": 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'question.': 0.13; 'appropriate': 0.14; '2016': 0.16; 'episodes.': 0.16; 'permits': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'sad': 0.16; 'second-guess': 0.16; 'subject:exception': 0.16; 'unconnected': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'subject:] ': 0.19; 'am,': 0.23; 'feb': 0.23; 'academic': 0.23; 'mon,': 0.24; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'larry': 0.29; 'sure,': 0.29; "we're": 0.30; 'but': 0.36; 'needed': 0.36; '(and': 0.36; 'monday,': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'turn': 0.37; 'say': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'subject:-': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'him': 0.60; 'side': 0.62; 'real': 0.62; 'back': 0.62; 'him,': 0.67; 'expert': 0.70; 'experts': 0.70; 'drug': 0.72; 'subject:skip:M 10': 0.72; '\xe2\x80\x93': 0.72; '_o__)': 0.84; 'delusions': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'subject:author': 0.84; 'utc+5:30,': 0.84; 'doctor': 0.91; 'misleading': 0.91; 'health.': 0.93; 'story.': 0.96 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:103740 Rustom Mody writes: > On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 10:26:32 PM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: > > Ian Kelly writes: > > > > > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Larry Martell wrote: > > > > I found this to be a very sad story. Sure, he had some issues, but I > > > > don't think they needed to drug him, and take all that he had > > > > learned away from him and turn him back into what he was before. > > > > > > "All that he had learned" meaning his delusions and psychoses? > > > > Indeed. If a revelation is unconnected to reality, it's misleading to > > say that one has "learned" it. > > And who is the last arbiter on that 'reality'? A nice academic question. Not appropriate when we're discussing a real person's psychotic episodes. Neither you nor I are experts in whether an experience is psychosis, and the person already has an expert diagnosis. So please don't de-rail into the weeds of second-guessing an expert in mental health. Unless you know the person's mental health better than their doctor (and you do not), don't second-guess the diagnosis they received. -- \ “When [science] permits us to see the far side of some new | `\ horizon, we remember those who prepared the way – seeing for | _o__) them also.” —Carl Sagan, _Cosmos_, 1980 | Ben Finney