Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!feed.xsnews.nl!border-2.ams.xsnews.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.103 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.79; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'statistical': 0.09; '*should*': 0.16; 'change;': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'kern': 0.16; 'subject:Line': 0.16; 'temperatures': 0.16; 'wed,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'jan': 0.18; 'subject:] ': 0.19; 'changes': 0.20; 'amounts': 0.22; 'example': 0.23; 'absolute': 0.23; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'looks': 0.26; 'am,': 0.27; 'scale': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'chris': 0.28; 'measure': 0.29; 'subject: [': 0.29; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'robert': 0.35; 'said,': 0.35; 'subject:]': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'compare': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'why': 0.37; 'quite': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'degree': 0.38; 'mean': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'bottom': 0.60; 'distance': 0.62; 'show': 0.63; 'gave': 0.65; 'debate': 0.65; 'reporting.': 0.65; 'sounds': 0.71; 'increase': 0.72; '2013': 0.84; 'climate': 0.84; 'degrees,': 0.84; 'examples.': 0.84; 'nominal': 0.84; 'subject:removal': 0.84; 'surface': 0.84; 'temperature': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Abm54tOm0UM5E5xA/0sn0iFwZfuu92DSnt1ndHj5d50=; b=tl5NRz2HYBHmbLjxbKa2P2eRYL3cM19edGBZwrxcRezjBZykI079+ipzBRRvqdo82H BU2SrBQPhuzpzJkQrmzeoS8cUYwryDorB074yU+AlHYjvJuJ4KjR2li3rMlWYWkZxASh 6Kuo8NA6lvyFYaXfnh82hklKuaVppr137S+VX+bCDJ86att/7ftx2SVrNJXkYBr5ALdc YLJoUxaWdqqWjsf1/YqyqLeLI9ldODVGcQmIv36/VIIRI9IY/t+hV3R2ayAOF+g6/q9A mCmwV73R3SQvBosN+4ExZvbpesrn7A8Iaa2kIYl90r09HiLxmJLjBXB4AaIcAuQgSVt2 GtrA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <50ea28e7$0$30003$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <50ea58f0$0$21851$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> <50eb0cd2$0$30003$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <50eb7f2a$0$30003$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 07:14:51 +1100 Subject: Re: [Offtopic] Line fitting [was Re: Numpy outlier removal] From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1357676101 news.xs4all.nl 6954 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:57554 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:36449 On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:55 AM, Robert Kern wrote: > On 08/01/2013 06:35, Chris Angelico wrote: >> ... it looks >> quite significant to show a line going from the bottom of the graph to >> the top, but sounds a lot less noteworthy when you see it as a >> half-degree increase on about (I think?) 30 degrees, and even less >> when you measure temperatures in absolute scale (Kelvin) and it's half >> a degree in three hundred. > > Why on Earth do you think that the distance from nominal surface > temperatures to freezing much less absolute 0 is the right scale to compare > global warming changes against? You need to compare against the size of > global mean temperature changes that would cause large amounts of human > suffering, and that scale is on the order of a *few* degrees, not hundreds. > A change of half a degree over a few decades with no signs of slowing down > *should* be alarming. I didn't say what it should be; I gave three examples. And as I said, this is not the forum to debate climate change; I was just using it as an example of statistical reporting. Three types of lies. ChrisA