Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'redirected': 0.07; 'referring': 0.07; 'utf-8': 0.07; 'function,': 0.09; 'received:internal': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'windows': 0.15; 'message- id:@webmail.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:10.202': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2': 0.16; 'received:66.111': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4.27': 0.16; 'received:messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:out3-smtp.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'subject:Unicode': 0.16; 'subject:ideas': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'subject:] ': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'unicode': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'to:2**1': 0.27; 'character': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'file': 0.32; 'stuff': 0.32; '(i.e.': 0.33; 'received:66': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'received:10': 0.37; 'nov': 0.38; 'issue': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'solve': 0.60; 'from:no real name:2**0': 0.61; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.63; 'to:addr:python-ideas': 0.67; 'to,': 0.72; 'special': 0.74; '2013,': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.us; h= message-id:from:to:cc:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:in-reply-to:references:subject:date; s=mesmtp; bh= aT1/ug6MS4Bv3z3X4iDlwPSO/cU=; b=Y1WGjlBQenQQS1ZSnp6orVUEiuiic6sm hud6+/xaYOVvQpHtPzkm8ysS6b+lmGkKKsAof+mNH5gmDkdtRpbaBlxelXKZxRsn pusGrxbjw/+7EbcnZ+YFk/Q5bOLyVDXwJJa8Ebyvkhv1IW8lnF2bw0UEwO9BBti0 0c4spXlE9ZQ= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:from:to:cc:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:in-reply-to:references :subject:date; s=smtpout; bh=aT1/ug6MS4Bv3z3X4iDlwPSO/cU=; b=h3d nMSrf0XE3ukA2eksHIRuPi8hkk88XHMZfoltsG+lE/yWEUgxYIjt35pcvhWbAPFZ gm6J3TDLvBCqKuHC28iI9yWJHrbF4mbckcSYuZ1BDraUpjpzkvjfbq3qfbGV6fgS V+kHiGNBFcNuXRH9XuXM9F7scGnOUGSk5UP9NMus= X-Sasl-Enc: JigDECsu9NpJQd0ns/yaDd0ITbZnOpVcrhY0WlAn9fUZ 1384813806 From: random832@fastmail.us To: Robin Becker , python-ideas@python.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-d4893488 In-Reply-To: <528A092D.4060408@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> References: <5286054F.6000707@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> <1384539385.17784.47988289.02AE655C@webmail.messagingengine.com> <5289FE6C.7030007@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> <528A092D.4060408@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Python-ideas] Unicode stdin/stdout Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 17:30:06 -0500 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1384813809 news.xs4all.nl 15995 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:49475 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:59913 On Mon, Nov 18, 2013, at 7:33, Robin Becker wrote: > UTF-8 stuff This doesn't really solve the issue I was referring to, which is that windows _console_ (i.e. not redirected file or pipe) I/O can only support unicode via wide character (UTF-16) I/O with a special function, not via using byte-based I/O with the normal write function.