Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder5.news.weretis.net!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.067 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.87; '*S*': 0.00; 'wed,': 0.04; 'received:209.85.213.46': 0.07; 'received:mail- yw0-f46.google.com': 0.07; 'to:name:python list': 0.09; 'discussions': 0.12; 'contribute': 0.14; 'am,': 0.14; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'constructs': 0.16; 'pause': 0.16; 'rebert': 0.16; 'heavily': 0.16; 'opinion': 0.16; 'stack': 0.16; 'discussion': 0.20; 'language': 0.20; 'maybe': 0.21; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'expense': 0.23; 'received:209.85.213': 0.23; 'subject: -- ': 0.25; 'skip:[ 10': 0.26; 'regardless': 0.26; 'chris': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'yet': 0.30; 'for,': 0.31; 'solved': 0.31; 'yesterday': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.32; 'done': 0.32; 'example,': 0.33; 'someone': 0.33; 'fairly': 0.33; 'sometimes': 0.33; 'slow': 0.35; 'usually': 0.36; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'apr': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'end': 0.39; 'comments': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; "it's": 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; '13,': 0.60; 'carefully': 0.60; 'managing': 0.61; 'professional': 0.61; '2011': 0.62; 'today!': 0.65; 'day': 0.66; 'paper': 0.68; 'stand': 0.71; 'have.': 0.73; 'funny': 0.77; 'news': 0.77; 'coherent': 0.84; 'delusion': 0.84; 'designers,': 0.84; 'subjective': 0.84; 'times]': 0.84; 'valid,': 0.84; 'absolutely': 0.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <8abff237-5ccd-4eb6-85c8-cdc9e87520b7@bl1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <87k4eze4dl.fsf@mithlond.arda> From: James Mills Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:34:28 +1000 Subject: Re: Feature suggestion -- return if true To: python list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1302647690 news.xs4all.nl 81479 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:52077 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:3092 On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 6:26 AM, Chris Rebert wrote: > Paraphrasing liberally from his review of Far Cry 2: > "Letting the [programmer] create their own [language constructs is] > always done at the expense of proper [orthogonality, elegance, and > coherence]. Maybe sometimes I don't want to create my own [programming > language] experience. Maybe I want to have an experience that's been > carefully crafted by professional [language] designers and > [architects]. But [a] delusion has arisen that absolutely anyone can > contribute something valid, regardless of qualifications. In TV news > for example, you'll often see them pause to hear the opinion of a > seventy-five-year-old housebound racist from Lemington. And now you > get [languages] like [Lisp] that rely heavily on user-made [language > constructs]. Which I prophesise doom for, because most people are not > [language] designers, and you're just going to end up with oceans of > slurry, as indeed we have. It's like giving someone a stack of paper > and a [pen] and claiming that that's as good as the latest [New York > Times] bestseller." > > IOW, a language is usually better for having such discussions and > having a fairly coherent worldview enforced by the existence of a > managing authority. Are we done with this discussion yet ? :) *sigh* It was a slow day yesterday and I have a funny feeling it's going to be the same today! Regardless of anyone's subjective opinions as to what was clear - I still stand by what I said. Nice comments btw Chris :) cheers James -- -- James Mills -- -- "Problems are solved by method"