Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'string.': 0.05; 'indexing': 0.07; 'string': 0.09; '32-bit': 0.09; 'character,': 0.09; 'counting': 0.09; 'span': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'supported,': 0.09; 'expensive,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'iteration': 0.16; 'surrogate': 0.16; 'underlying': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; "hasn't": 0.19; 'manual': 0.22; 'string,': 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'certain': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'appear': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'character': 0.29; 'characters': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'operations.': 0.31; 'this.': 0.32; 'figure': 0.32; 'beginning': 0.33; 'subject: (': 0.35; 'operations': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; "didn't": 0.36; 'thanks': 0.36; 'searching': 0.37; 'so,': 0.37; 'nov': 0.38; 'requiring': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'ian': 0.60; 'find.': 0.84; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=troHqLpKNmvHBsW1IZNlTG91YI9xBxU4WVy8wIFTtoM=; b=qKTnIpohBDDCv9r2PZaGfRnWgQK3xDLIXnWwgOFYl8DagEMRTeemZukCTLX0yjLp2y 7oDF1MG2HN7SwUzxCAstad2msVXAAXoY9yGLwUryA8irkuGJpuEgiSbdbEbxgPxXK49U Ne+vu3MswMbCmzMJlb7OFZHHNPc2XoKW+Uo+rI/hgc4n7kJhzu1FhXktx7Xnd6Cn4MTo 48WHvpKok+/lQ2ovRu7JJBBMvBzNvM7Zueb1qySeNFeOdy8sRfajx5Sri3BOijLeMQjr ij759j5MiopUjM7ATxf4uUA/BkPp38QOeZ9Xj5Unagghhqyr/vEZa0Kqh01rVJLgFDsy u8mQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.248.202 with SMTP id yo10mr340312pac.177.1384778189196; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 04:36:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1f0ffad0-f9b1-4154-b048-510d8e38846e@googlegroups.com> <41f332dd-1c31-4699-9176-7e8589f9c8ae@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 23:36:29 +1100 Subject: Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1384778198 news.xs4all.nl 15940 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51685 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:59859 On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: > > On Nov 18, 2013 3:06 AM, "Chris Angelico" wrote: >> >> I'm trying to figure this out. Reading the docs hasn't answered this. >> If each character in a string is a 32-bit Unicode character, and (as >> can be seen in the examples) string indexing and slicing are >> supported, then does string indexing mean counting from the beginning >> to see if there were any surrogate pairs? > > The string reference says: > > """Since a String has an underlying UTF-16 encoding, certain operations are > expensive, requiring iteration of the characters of the string. In > particular, size requires iteration of the whole string, and get(), span(), > and segment() require iteration from the beginning of the string to the > given index.""" > > The get and span operations appear to be equivalent to indexing and slicing. Right, that's what I was looking for and didn't find. (I was searching the one-page reference manual rather than reading in detail.) So, yes, they're O(n) operations. Thanks for hunting that down. ChrisA