Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'string,': 0.05; 'pretend': 0.07; 'indicates': 0.09; 'restriction': 0.09; 'solaris,': 0.09; 'tends': 0.09; 'pm,': 0.11; 'linux': 0.11; 'users,': 0.14; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'subject:versus': 0.16; 'subject:] ': 0.16; 'users.': 0.18; 'tue,': 0.20; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.20; 'usage': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.22; 'right,': 0.22; 'ancient': 0.23; 'issue,': 0.23; 'version.': 0.23; 'runs': 0.24; 'guess': 0.26; 'windows': 0.26; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'received:209.85.160': 0.28; 'toward': 0.29; 'probably': 0.30; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.31; 'source': 0.32; 'received:209.85.160.46': 0.33; 'received:mail- pw0-f46.google.com': 0.33; 'bit': 0.33; 'data.': 0.33; 'sometimes': 0.33; 'using': 0.34; 'there': 0.35; 'couple': 0.35; 'subject:software': 0.35; 'allow': 0.36; 'rather': 0.36; 'data': 0.37; 'some': 0.37; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'apr': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'to.': 0.39; 'likely': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'include': 0.40; "it's": 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'best': 0.60; '2011': 0.62; 'sites': 0.62; 'computers': 0.64; 'accounts': 0.65; 'subject:Free': 0.72; 'browser.': 0.77; 'account.': 0.78; 'browsers': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PgFRqekx0wX2wzGK+Z0pQybczU3LydnvnRhxn+g/1wU=; b=uijdyQ3aZfNmQDC3NXZ6FtBjVsY9JQ94ar4b+3mLLwhw1PelGI8BeVC8b9gZrI0T7k T1qi9wWiqNjZXzNqG4HqoVgIEHcZO1Ldzv6xcDpFVggqfYsIiB8CPzByPe+qm0KBY8aq TimIJazMq9MO0isnk4S6i4BRIc8lGPcJBWeC8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mcRypwcOd78Be9fKmB4by+0NE4u+o+fb4GORZKHnVyeAySp7n7gNrzhTn1s5B54QKe y1SwVUCcDs7dW7MFKGQJz8XyMHXaYPDjhm8d7Kz8gACVNUrBULu9nrvrZg9I+4Vu0Tw2 dBBBo51oDsmfbtDfya+BmkX629ff2AyieA5ys= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4d9c5ca5$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87tyebf3r3.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <4d9d6a4a$0$29992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <6Nknp.10080$lx3.7480@newsfe02.iad> <4d9e6551$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4da0f1e1$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> From: Ian Kelly Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:05:49 -0600 Subject: Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents To: Dan Stromberg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1302642382 news.xs4all.nl 41114 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:51231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:3089 On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Dan Stromberg wrote: > This data is of course skewed a bit toward computers that people are > using web browsers on. Right, Linux servers are most likely underrepresented. At best the data indicates what the population at large is using on their desktops. >=A0Also, something like LWN tends to get more > Linux users, while microsoft.com tends to get more windows users. That's why it's important to look at a large number of sites and take more than one source of data into account. > Also, some sites only allow IE (often for rather capricious reasons), > so some *ix users tell their browsers to pretend to be IE to get > around the restriction - and sometimes it's just easier to pretend to > be IE all the time, even when you don't really need to. That is one potential issue, although I really doubt that it accounts for more than a couple of percent of the IE usage data. >=A0And IE runs > on Solaris, albeit in what is probably now an ancient version. It also runs on Macs. Fortunately, it is standard practice to include the OS in the user-agent string, so there is no need to guess it based on the browser.