Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.007 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'warnings': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.05; "'''": 0.09; 'normally,': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'jan': 0.11; 'enough.': 0.16; 'language:': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'routinely': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; '>>>': 0.20; 'programming': 0.23; 'am,': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'tim': 0.24; 'signed': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'asked': 0.28; 'went': 0.28; 'clicked': 0.29; 'subject:other': 0.29; 'terry': 0.29; 'connection': 0.30; 'maybe': 0.31; "can't": 0.32; 'subject:all': 0.32; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'done': 0.35; 'ahead': 0.35; 'identity': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'quite': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.38; 'python.org': 0.38; 'self': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'your': 0.60; 'confirm': 0.61; 'trusted': 0.62; 'more': 0.62; 'secure.': 0.66; 'fact,': 0.67; 'subject:have': 0.80; "site's": 0.84; 'subject:you': 0.88; 'net.': 0.91; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.91; 'verified.': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Terry Reedy Subject: Re: Ah Python, you have spoiled me for all other languages Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 13:26:00 -0400 References: <555f440a$0$12990$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <555FA253.3020304@tundraware.com> <556060A0.1010501@tundraware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-98-114-97-173.phlapa.fios.verizon.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 In-Reply-To: <556060A0.1010501@tundraware.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1432401986 news.xs4all.nl 2898 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46762 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:91143 On 5/23/2015 7:12 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 05/22/2015 08:54 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: >> On 5/22/2015 5:40 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> >>> Lo these many years ago, I argued that Python is a whole lot more than >>> a programming language: >>> >>> https://www.tundraware.com/TechnicalNotes/Python-Is-Middleware/ >> Perhaps something at tundraware needs updating. >> ''' >> This Connection is Untrusted >> >> You have asked Firefox to connect securely to www.tundraware.com, but we can't confirm that your connection is secure. >> >> Normally, when you try to connect securely, sites will present trusted identification to prove that you are going to the right place. However, this site's identity can't be verified. >> ''' >> > > It's self signed - something done quite routinely on the net. I do not routinely see the message above. In fact, it has been months. I think the last time was a python.org site that *did* need updating. Hence the 'perhaps'. But maybe I do not get around to new sites often enough. I went ahead and clicked through the warnings to read you somewhat prescient 13-year-old piece. -- Terry Jan Reedy