Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'cpython': 0.05; 'encoding': 0.05; 'string.': 0.05; 'string': 0.09; '32-bit': 0.09; '[3]:': 0.09; 'ascii': 0.09; 'clean.': 0.09; 'encode': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'rush': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'tismer': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'bug': 0.12; 'character.': 0.16; 'disaster,': 0.16; 'iterable,': 0.16; 'logic)': 0.16; 'ordinal': 0.16; 'performances': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'rewritten': 0.16; 'storing': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'programming': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'bytes': 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; 'non': 0.24; 'handling': 0.26; 'tracker': 0.26; 'second': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header :In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'character': 0.29; 'raise': 0.29; '>>>>': 0.31; 'core': 0.34; 'subject: (': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; "i'll": 0.36; 'christian': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'issue': 0.38; 'list,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'entire': 0.61; 'world.': 0.61; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'satisfied': 0.81; 'characters,': 0.84; 'received:2': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Oh look, another language (ceylon) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:56:11 +0000 References: <1f0ffad0-f9b1-4154-b048-510d8e38846e@googlegroups.com> <41f332dd-1c31-4699-9176-7e8589f9c8ae@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-2-98-202-11.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 In-Reply-To: <41f332dd-1c31-4699-9176-7e8589f9c8ae@googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1384768579 news.xs4all.nl 15938 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58405 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:59845 On 18/11/2013 09:44, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote: > character > Satisfied Interfaces: Comparable, Enumerable, Ordinal > A 32-bit Unicode character. > Satisfied Interfaces: Category, Cloneable>, Collection, > Comparable, Correspondence, Iterable, > List, Ranged, Summable > > > string > Satisfied Interfaces: Category, Cloneable>, Collection, > Comparable, Correspondence, Iterable, > List, Ranged, Summable > A string of characters. Each character in the string is a 32-bit Unicode > character. The internal UTF-16 encoding is hidden from clients. > A string is a Category of its Characters, and of its substrings: > > > Clean. Far, far away from a unicode handling which may require > 18 bytes (!) more to encode a non ascii n-chars string than a > ascii n-chars string. > (With performances following expectedly "globally" the same logic) > >>>> sys.getsizeof('a') > 26 >>>> sys.getsizeof('\U0001d11e') > 44 > > > jmf > In [3]: sys.getsizeof(1) Out[3]: 14 What a disaster, 13 bytes wasted storing 1. I'll just rush off to the bug tracker and raise an issue to get the entire Cpython core rewritten before Armaggeddon strikes. -- Python is the second best programming language in the world. But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer Mark Lawrence