Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.007 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'encoding': 0.05; 'binary': 0.07; 'ascii': 0.09; 'subject:design': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.11; 'suggest': 0.14; '16-bit': 0.16; '8-bit': 0.16; 'cc:name:python list': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'intervening': 0.16; 'subject:Language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'normally': 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'bytes': 0.24; 'replace': 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'argue': 0.31; 'sep': 0.31; 'text': 0.33; "i'd": 0.34; 'common': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'data,': 0.36; 'sequence': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'area': 0.37; 'ben': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; "you're": 0.61; 'more': 0.64; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; '2013,': 0.91; 'washington': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Oxfz0xB1C02g9iWx5zVoDVIgdak0UZ67Bi7Z8yVODr8=; b=ETAzLArzrgny2+VjBiQ1v+IjUBTeFTn7DuCPPRSlRnNesONa02phRHkuAL5pp4TZid dlTMLWDJnGhfLGowG1/IUYTdv6TvqmwkfNiGlb8D17kqNHPY2WA1XCcZX/TKqvWfEIDm wHWEDe8VpHhieJPeb9ERGL9gfkfquMBiz+5nVe0p+yicZ8PiM5Kzc/qoudhE1Zy/EoYr mHpw+pdr1wJxObr+YTI/MjxIWbqdRcnOpYfVvK8kkTt55mqtzmI22sN/ue+Cm31ugr1v ZbPttk2Ywe4stfekT0exk82ovLPGIaGmHV104Mfifh26BD4tEaXrcBiQC8jdjm5Vmavw r2zg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.39.242 with SMTP id s18mr478371wik.47.1378945557745; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:25:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7w38pb2ble.fsf@benfinney.id.au> References: <522eb795$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <7wbo412m02.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <7w38pb2ble.fsf@benfinney.id.au> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:25:57 -0700 Subject: Re: Language design From: Mark Janssen To: Ben Finney Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Python List X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1378945565 news.xs4all.nl 15869 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38960 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:54014 >> On Tue, 10 Sep 2013, Ben Finney wrote: >> > The sooner we replace the erroneous >> > =93text is ASCII=94 in the common wisdom with =93text is Unicode=94, = the >> > better. >> >> I'd actually argue that it's better to replace the common wisdom with >> "text is binary data, and we should normally look at that text through >> Unicode eyes". A little less catchy, but more accurate ;) > > No, that's inaccurate. A sequence of bytes is binary data. Unicode is > not binary data. Well now, this is an area that is not actually well-defined. I would say 16-bit Unicode is binary data if you're encoding in base 65,536, just as 8-bit ascii is binary data if you're encoding in base-256. Which is to say: there is no intervening data to suggest a TYPE. --=20 MarkJ Tacoma, Washington