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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 16:37:03 -0600
From: Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com>
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On 03/19/2015 04:16 PM, John Nagle wrote:
> On 3/16/2015 6:46 PM, Michael Torrie wrote:
>> Since Python 3's adoption is directly impacted by package managers and
>> curated repos (or lack thereof), I feel justified in continuing this
>> thread just a bit farther.
> 
>    Since denying the problem didn't work, change the subject to
> allow blaming someone else.
> 
>    This is like dealing with an alcoholic.

I can't speak for others, but I certainly never denied your problems. I
can say that I changed the subject because I was taking that part of the
conversation off topic to another related but different subject that I
thought was of interest to some (and it was).  I'm sorry you feel
slighted by this diversion.

As to the issue of "denying your problems," certainly as distros catch
up, a lot more pressure to fix bugs and get libraries ported is
generated, and resources given to the endeavor by the likes of
Canonical, Red Hat and others.