Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'pep': 0.09; 'subject:while': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'languages.': 0.15; '"with"': 0.16; '-tkc': 0.16; '24,': 0.16; 'assignment.': 0.16; 'expr': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.list': 0.16; 'from:addr:tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'from:name:tim chase': 0.16; 'message-id:@tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'oct': 0.16; 'received:70.251': 0.16; 'received:dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net': 0.16; 'received:rcsntx.swbell.net': 0.16; 'received:swbell.net': 0.16; 'statement.': 0.16; 'subject:expression': 0.16; 'true:': 0.16; 'ugly.': 0.16; 'wed,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'duplicate': 0.17; 'variable': 0.20; 'bit': 0.21; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'skip:" 20': 0.26; "doesn't": 0.28; 'run': 0.28; 'dan': 0.29; 'this.': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'could': 0.32; 'pm,': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'being': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'sure': 0.38; 'most': 0.61; 'due': 0.66; 'felt': 0.75; 'idiomatic': 0.84; 'parity': 0.84; 'prey': 0.84; 'received:50.22': 0.84 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:54:32 -0500 From: Tim Chase User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111120 Icedove/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Kelly Subject: Re: while expression feature proposal References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - boston.accountservergroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tim.thechases.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Python X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1351115620 news.xs4all.nl 6973 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54916 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:32069 On 10/24/12 16:34, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Dan Loewenherz wrote: >> So I'm sure a lot of you have run into the following pattern. I use it >> all the time and it always has felt a bit awkward due to the duplicate >> variable assignment. >> >> VAR = EXPR >> while VAR: >> BLOCK >> VAR = EXPR > > The idiomatic way to do this is: > > while True: > VAR = EXPR > if not VAR: > break > BLOCK It may be idiomatic, but that doesn't stop it from being pretty ugly. I must say I really like the parity of Dan's while EXPR as VAR: BLOCK proposal with the "with" statement. It also doesn't fall prey to the "mistaken-assignment vs. intentional-assignment" found in most C-like languages. I could see a pretty reasonable PEP coming from this. -tkc